It is a dialogue between a Christian and a Muslim. This dialogue answers a lot of questions that people nowadays ask but do not get the right answers. The general mood in America nowadays is a crossroad between trusting their fellow American Muslims and also a deep rooted fear of them at the same time of scenario exists here in Malaysia.
Picture shows Imam Yahya Hindi reading a prayer before the American House of Representatives on November 15,2001, the last day the House was in session before Ramadan. House Speaker Dennis Hastert listens with a bowed head in respect.
The Non Muslim Malaysians are also wary of their awkward situation living in 'Islamic State' Malaysia. Is it really? Well, I beg to differ. Malaysia is not a totalitarian Islamic Nation as what an Islamic State should be. There are too many forbidden entities in Islam present in this country to merit such terms.
In the meantime, just read the dialogue below and learn something from it. Enjoy.
Can Muslim Americans be loyal to America? She asked.
The immediate response of the person to whom the question was addressed was a big no. It didn't surprise many who were present during the conversation as many nodded their heads affirmatively.
It was an ordinary discussion in a home setting where friends and relatives had gathered and some of them had raised the issue of loyalty of Muslim Americans.
An elected public official from California, who chooses to remain anonymous, was also present at the gathering.
She told the audience not to jump to conclusions and that she would present the questions raised at the gathering, to a Muslim who she knew.
She forwarded me a list of issues that were brought up at the gathering and asked my input.
I sent her back my response, which she found helpful and assured me that she would do her best to promote the truth and fight ignorance. The issues raised and my response to them are as follows:
Per our conversation I am emailing you a list of issues that were raised during the gathering.
Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen? Is 'Muslim American' really an oxymoron?
Some people who were at the gathering, presented the following points to show why Muslim Americans cannot be both at the same time:
Theologically, No - Because their allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.
Religiously, No - Because no other religion is accepted by their Allah except Islam. Their allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Koran.
Geographically, No - Because their allegiance is to Mecca, to which they turn to in prayer five times a day.
Socially, No - Because their allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews. Plus their men are instructed to marry four women and beat his wife when she disobeys him.
Politically, No - Because they must follow the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teaches annihilation of Israel and destruction of America.
Intellectually, No - Because they cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically, No - Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Koran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot coexist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually, No - Because where as we declare our country to be "one nation under God," and believe God to be loving and kind, their God, Allah, does not allow allegiance to a Christian God and does not promote love and kindness.
Based on the above the majority of the people at the gathering were of the opinion that we should be very suspicious of all Muslims in this country. According to them, Muslims cannot be both 'good Muslims' and 'good Americans' at the same time.
Look forward to your response.
Dear Jane (Not the real name):
Thank you very much for your email. It is truly unfortunate that we have such grave misconceptions about Islam in our country.
Here is what I believe Muslim Americans feel about the issues that the people have raised.
While we discuss these issues it is important to keep in mind some of our history.
Muslims have been part of America for hundreds of years.
Some came with Columbus, others came with the Chinese sailor, Zheng He a few decades prior to Columbus.
One of the earliest group of Muslims that was introduced to the Americas were among those who were denied all rights that a human being deserves including, freedom, liberty, justice and the right to practice their religion.
They were among the Africans who were bought and sold as slaves in this country. Many of them were forcibly converted to Christianity, as is recorded in several slave diaries.
Also among the early Muslims who came to America were those who were expelled from Spain in the sixteenth century along with Jews who found a refuge in this country.
During the later part of the nineteenth century, Muslims came to this country as immigrants to study and establish their professionals careers and since then their numbers have been growing.
Since the founding of the United States, no African American Muslim or Spanish Muslim or immigrant Muslim was ever tried or convicted for treason or for being involved in anti-nation activities.
How can anyone claim that Muslims have not been part of this country?
They fought during the first and second world wars and they represented the country in several crucial conferences such as the First Parliament of Religions in which Alexander Russell Webb spoke as an American Muslim. His book, Muslim American talks about the Muslim responsibilities in America.
As a response to the issues raised in your private gathering please consider the following as to how the Muslims are part of the American fabric.
Theologically, Yes - Muslims submit to Allah, God Almighty who is the Supreme Creator of all that is in the heavens and earth. There is no such concept as 'moon god' in Islam.
In fact, the scriptures of Islam make it very clear that Allah (Arabic for God in English, Dios in Spanish, Gott in German and Dieu in French) is the same God that was revealed to Prophets Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (Peace be upon them).
Muslims are described in the Quran as those who are on the path of all of these prophets. God inspires Muslims to appreciate human diversity in His creation of the multitude of tribes and nations so that they may know and appreciate each other.
He exhorts them not to harm others. Loyalty to God does not contradict patriotic feelings. God and nation are not synonym. One is The Creator and the other the Created.
Here are some Quranic references about God that show how God is perceived in Islam:
God is He save whom there is no deity; the One who knows all that is beyond the reach of a created being's perception, as well as that can be witnessed by a creature senses or mind; He, the most Merciful and the Dispenser of love and mercy. (59:22)
God is He save whom there is no deity; the Sovereign Supreme, the Holy, the One with whom all salvation rests, the Giver of faith, the One who determines what is true and false, the Almighty, the One who subdues wrong and restores right, the One to whom all greatness belongs; Utterly remote is God in His limitless Glory from anything to which men may ascribe as share in His divinity! (59:23)
He is the God, the Creator, the Maker, who shapes all forms and appearances! His alone are the attributes of perfection. All that is in the heaven and on the earth Extols His limitless glory; for He is almighty, truly Wise! (59:24)
Say: He is the One God, God the eternal, the uncaused cause of all being. He begets not and neither is He begotten; There is nothing that could be compared to Him. (112:1-4 )
Religiously, Yes - Because the Quran states in verse 2:256 very clearly that there is no compulsion in religion. In fact what was said in your gathering is a fabrication. Here is the verse that you can share with the people at the gathering.
There should be no compulsion in religion. Distinct has now become the right way from the way of error; Hence, He who rejects the power of evil and believes in God, has indeed taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way; For God is all hearing and all knowing. (2:256)
Muslims do not worship five pillars or the Quran. They worship God, the Almighty. Following are the five pillars of Islam that are used as the guiding principles:
- Testimony of Faith: There is no deity but God (Allah) and Muhammad is the Messenger (Prophet) of God
- Prayer: Daily at Dawn, Noon, Mid-Afternoon, Sunset and Night. Each prayer takes a few minutes.
- Poor Due (Zakat): An annual payment of 2.5% of a Muslim's wealth which is distributed among the needy. Optional charity is encouraged.
- Fasting: Total abstinence from food and liquid from dawn to sunset during the month of Ramadan.
- Hajj: Annual pilgrimage to Makkah for those who are physically and financially able. (To commemorate the example of Prophet Abraham.)
The Quran identifies humanity as a plural society, like the founding principals of this country that guaranties religious freedom.
If thy Lord had so willed, He could have made Humankind one people: but they will not cease to dispute. (11:118)
Geographically, Yes - Because millions of Muslim migrated to the US of their own free will and contributed to the welfare of this country. The designer of Sears Tower was a Muslim. The engineer who built the New York tunnel was a Muslim. More than 70,000 Muslim doctors toil hard to save lives of average Americans every day and more than 300,000 engineers engage in designing the construction of roads, buildings and strategic institutions.
Makkah has similar significance as the Vatican does for Catholics. Makkah is considered a holy place where the first house of worship to God was made by Prophet Abraham.
Muslims do face towards Makkah for their five daily prescribed prayers but at the same time God reminds believers that ..
It is not righteousness that you turn your faces Towards east or west; but it is righteousness - to believe in God and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfill the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the God-Conscious. (Quran 2:177 )
Socially, Yes - The Quran only discourages Muslims from befriending those who fight Muslims because of their religion.
[See Can Muslims be friends with Jews and Christians?]
Muslims are allowed to marry Christians and Jews and who can be better in friendship than a wife. In Islam God restricted polygamy to four wives and encouraged monogamy.
Muslims are reminded to be respectful to women. If there are societies that oppress women, they follow tribal customs and misuse Islam to serve their male chauvinist interests.
Verse 4:34 from the Quran reminds Muslim men to .. take full care of women (wife) with the bounties which God has bestowed, more abundantly and with which they spend out of their possession.
The righteous women (wife) are the truly devout ones, who guard the intimacy which God has ordained to be guarded.
As for those women (Wife), whose ill will, you have reason to fear, admonish them first and then leave them alone in bed and then separate from them. If they pay you heed, do not seek to harm them.
Politically, Yes - Unlike a large number of the American Jews, the allegiance to Israel is not a condition for allegiance to the USA. Moreover, it is the Christian evangelical priests like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell who go beyond the destruction of Israel to say that when Jesus returns, 2/3 of the Jews will be killed and one-third would be converted to Christianity.
Intellectually, Yes - Because the American constitution is not based on Biblical principles. Every Muslim who becomes a citizen of this country first takes an oath of allegiance to the constitution.
Philosophically, Yes - Because Islam ensures that all religions are given freedom. If Democracy does not exist in 17 of 56 Muslim majority countries, that is due to historical and political reasons.
Malaysia, Indonesia and Bangladesh are great examples. In fact unlike in our own country that has never elected a female president many Muslim countries have elected female heads of state.
Spiritually, Yes - "One nation under God" resonates strongly among Muslims who consider God to be absolutely Omnipotent and Omnipresent.
Among the 99 names of God that one can find in the Quran, several refer to His love, mercy and majesty.
The chapters of the Quran start with the phrase 'Bismillahirrahmanirrahim' @ "In the name of God most Merciful and Most Companionate" and is a often repeated part of a Muslims daily vocabulary.
Good Muslims and Good Americans, Yes - According to some estimates there are about 6 to 8 million Muslims in this country.
Among the list of sex offenders released by the law enforcement recently, not a single one is a Muslim. I went over the names of one hundred thousand sex offenders.
Among the drugs addicts who seek rehabilitation, the number of Muslims is less than 2 percent.
Among those who are caught as burglars or arsonists or murderers, the number of Muslims is less than one percent.
Among those who are domestically violent the number of Muslims is less than one percent.
Among those who are convicted of fraud the number of Muslims is less than 2 percent.
Among those who are known alcoholics, the number of Muslims is less than one percent.
Among those who are drug pushers, the number of Muslims is less than 0.2 percent.
There is a rape every four minutes in our country.
Among those who are convicted of rape, the number of Muslims is less than one percent.
Among those who illegally use state welfare system, the number of Muslims is less than one percent.
Among those who are involved in Gun violence, the number of Muslims is less than one percent.
Among tax evaders, the number of Muslims is less than one percent.
Now please tell me on the basis of this explanation who stands for America and its values? The struggle for truth is far bigger than any other war. Perhaps it is this struggle that must bring us more closer to all people so that we can dispel these common misperceptions.
I appreciate the opportunity to explain Islam and Muslims to the people at the gathering. I hope and pray that we all can find the absolute truth.
Dr. Aslam Abdullah is editor-in-Chief of the Muslim Observer and the director of the Islamic Society of Nevada as well as the director of the Muslim Electorates Council of America.
Well, that is the dialogue found at IslamiCity.com.The proposed IFC here is totally different in its approach towards engaging in interference in Islamic matters. Hence the total objection to its objectives by Malaysia's Muslims including me.
A dialogue is not what they want but a controlling hand over us Muslims. Till Doomsday, they can dream on but will not get a chance in hell to ever do so.
As for those who sincerely want to know more about Islam, there are just so many avenues one can explore and get such info. I for one will try my level best to do my part. Hope you will too.
Life is a series of adjustments people. Trying to live in peace with one another tops it all.
Malaysian Non Muslims do not really have anything to complain about when it comes to the matter of practicing their faith. They are free to worship as they please.
The only problem is concerning the situations they face in erecting their places of worship in areas where there are either no allowances for religious establishments or their non ownership of lands upon which they intend to build their temples, churches or house of worships where the local authorities can't compromise when it comes to the master development planning for that particular areas.
Sometimes there arises the matter of pre existing houses of worship of that particular faith or religious following. Unnecessary strife and friction between such faiths are thus taken into consideration and plans approved or rejected accordingly.
All such considerations are taken into account and thus we see some churches being established in shoplots etcetera.
In Petaling Jaya, however, there is a plethora of churches from every denomination and thought. Christians ought to reflect on that. Hindu temples exist everywhere. There's always one cropping up overnight at every corner and nook of housing estates.
Chinese temples too are to be found in every district as well as the surau's and masjids being erected. Looks like Malaysia is the only country where you can find all religious faiths having so many houses of worship being established so close to each other unlike other countries.