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Monday, November 13, 2006

When a sodomite seeks to ban religion!

LONDON (AFP) - Religion should be outlawed because it lacks compassion and promotes hatred of homosexuals so says declared sodomite Elton John!

The singer was speaking in a special "gay edition" of The Observer newspaper's Music Monthly Magazine, where he shared his views on subjects ranging from being a music icon to the UK's Prime Minister Tony Blair!

At a time when religion is the subject of fierce debate in Britain over the right to wear the Muslim veil and other faith symbols, John complained there was a general lack of leadership from spiritual leaders.

"I think religion has always tried to turn hatred towards gay people. From my point of view, I would ban religion completely," he was quoted as saying.

"Organized religion doesn't seem to work. It turns people into really hateful lemmings and it's not really compassionate. The world is near escalating to World War Three and where are the leaders of each religion?

On homosexuality, the 59-year-old -- who sealed a civil partnership with his long-term partner, the Canadian film director David Furnish in December last year -- said he was happy to be viewed as the "acceptable face of gayness."

He also vowed to continue his fight for gay rights and AIDS charities.

"I can't just sit back; it's not in my nature anymore. I'm nearly 60 years old after all. I can't sit back and blindly ignore it and I won't."Source :

So, that's what the self declared sodomite Elton John has stated about 'banning' religion. :P

Sometimes, people who are supposed to be mature and well learned come to such a preposterous and screwed up view about what's right and what's wrong just because they are considered as superstar this and that!

Sodomites who carry on like this are only ending their family's lineage by going against nture and against God's Laws forbidding homosexuality and lesbianism!

If each and every homosexual's father had been one, they will not have come to exist in this Earth.

If each lesbian's mother had been a lesbian herself, she would not have conceived, carried the child and delivered her child who grew up and became a 'lesbian'!

Both the homosexual male and lesbian female would not have come to be born into this world and we will not be seeing them do the disgusting things they do today in the first place!

This is the result that each homosexual and lesbian decides for him or herself when they go against nature and against God's Prohibitions against the practice of the sodomites in Prophet Lut's time!

Sodom and Gomorrah is the proof that sodomites came to an awful end during that time and today, this tragedy rears its ugly head once again.

Elton John,60, ought to know better than to spew such nonsense! Well, what can we say when the man is all screwed up? Pun intended!

Let them reap what they sow....their rewards have been proven to be the HIV scourge! They ask for it, don't they? These kind do not listen to advice or are willing to repent. Once a sodomite, forever a sodomite.

Their end results will just be coming their way..soon.

The Bible has these to say about homosexuality and the punishment prescribed for the sin:

Lev 20:13If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

Undoubtedly the sin of homosexuality is one of the worst sins; indeed, it is one of the major sins (kabaa'ir) that Allah SWT has forbidden.

Allah the Almighty destroyed the people of Nabi Lut (peace be upon him) with the most terrifying kinds of punishment because they persisted in their sin and made this evil action commonplace and acceptable among themselves.

Allah Ta'ala says (interpretation of the meaning):
“So when Our Commandment came, We turned (the towns of Sodom in Palestine) upside down, and rained on them stones of baked clay, in a well-arranged manner one after another; Marked from your Lord” [Hood 11:82-83].

Then Allah SWT says, warning those who come after them of the nations who do the same deed as they did (interpretation of the meaning):
“and they are not ever far from the Thaalimoon (polytheists, evildoers)” [Hood 11:83]

And Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And they indeed sought to shame his guest (by asking to commit sodomy with them). So We blinded their eyes (saying), ‘Then taste you My Torment and My Warnings.'” [al-Qamar 54:37]

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, kill them, the one who does it and the one two whom it is done.”

(Narrated by Ahmad, 2727; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami' al-Sagheer wa Ziyaadatihi, no. 6589).

Imaam Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

It was reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Kill the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.”

(Reported by the four authors of Sunan. Its isnaad is saheeh.
At-Tirmidhi said it is a hasan hadeeth).

Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq judged in accordance with this, and he wrote instructions to this effect to Khalid, after consulting with the Sahabah.

‘Ali was the strictest of them with regard to that.

Ibn al-Qasaar and our shaykh said: the Sahabah agreed that [the person who does homosexual acts] should be killed, but they differed as to how he should be killed.

Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq said that he should be thrown down from a cliff.

‘Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) said that a wall should be made to collapse on him.

Ibn ‘Abbas said, they should be killed by stoning.

This shows that there was consensus among them that [the person who does homosexual acts] should be killed, but they differed as to how he should be executed.

This is similar to the ruling of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) concerning the person who has intercourse with a woman who is his mahram [incest], because in both cases intercourse is not permitted under any circumstances.

Hence the connection was made in the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allah be pleased with him) who reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “Whoever you find doing the deed of the people of Loot, kill them.”

And it was also reported that he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever has intercourse with a woman who is his mahram, kill him.”

And according to another hadith with the same isnad, “Whoever has intercourse with an animal, kill him and kill the animal with him.”
(Narrated by Ahmad, 2420; Abu Dawood, 4464; al-Tirmidhi, 1454; al-Haakim, 4/355).

This ruling is in accordance with the ruling of shari'ah, because the worse the haram action is, the more severe the punishment for it.

Having intercourse in a manner that is not permissible under any circumstances is worse than having intercourse in a manner which may be permitted in some circumstances, so its punishment is more severe.

This was stated by Ahmad in one of the two reports narrated from him.
(Zaad al-Ma'aad, part 5, p. 40-41).

The same applies to the sin of lesbianism.

There is no doubt among the fuqahaa' that lesbianism is haraam and is a major sin, as stated by al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar (may Allah have mercy on him). (Al-Mawsoo'ah al-Fiqhiyyah, part 24, p. 251).

With regard to the specific type of punishment mentioned in the question – stoning to death – this kind of punishment is for the adulterer who is married.

The shar'ia punishment for the crime of homosexuality is execution – by the sword, according to the most correct view – as was narrated in the discussion above about the differences among the scholars as to how this execution should be carried out.

As far as lesbianism is concerned, there is no hadd for it, but it is subject to ta'zeer
[unspecified punishment to be determined at the discretion of the qaadi].
(al-Mawsoo'ah al-Fiqhiyyah, part 24, p. 253).

But if the person who does this evil deed, or any other action which is subject to a hadd punishment, repents, gives up that sin, seeks forgiveness, regrets what he has done and intends never to go back to it –

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (may Allah SWT have mercy on him) was asked about that, and he answered: If he truly repents to Allah SWT , Allah SWT will accept his repentance, and he does not need to confess his sin to anyone so that the hadd punishment would be carried out on him. (Majmoo' al-Fatwaa, part 34, p. 180).

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And those who invoke not any other ilaah (god) along with Allah SWT, nor kill such person as Allah SWT has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse and whoever does this shall receive the punishment.

The torment will be doubled to him on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein in disgrace; Except those who repent and believe (in Islamic Monotheism), and do righteous deeds; for those, Allah SWT will change their sins into good deeds, and Allah SWT is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.

And whosoever repents and does righteous good deeds; then verily, he repents towards Allah SWT with true repentance” [al-Furqaan 25:69-71].

If he repents sincerely towards Allah SWT, there is no reason why he should not get married, and indeed it may be obligatory in his case, as a protection for him and in accordance with what Allah SWT has permitted. And Allah SWT knows best.

May Allah the Almighty bless our Prophet Muhammad Sallalahu Alaihi Wassallam.

Islam teaches that homosexual acts are sinful and punishable by God. This teaching comes not from human beings, but from the Creator of all humans. God tells us in His own words how He punished the people of Lut Alaihis Salam for their homosexual behaviour.

The story of Prophet Lut Alaihi Salam , finds mention in several Qur'anic passages, especially Chapter 26:160-175 which reads:

"The people of Lut rejected the apostles. Behold, their brother Lut said to them: "Will ye not fear (God)? "I am to you an apostle worthy of all trust. "

So fear God and obey me. "No reward do I ask of you for it: my reward is only from the lord of the Worlds. "Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, "And leave those whom God has created for you to be your mates?

Nay, ye are a people transgressing (all limits)!" They said: "If thou desist not, O Lut! thou wilt assuredly be cast out!"

He said: "I do detest your doings." "O my Lord! deliver me and my family from such things as they do!" So We delivered him and his family,- all Except an old woman who lingered behind.

But the rest We destroyed utterly. We rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): and evil was the shower on those who were admonished (but heeded not)!

Verily in this is a Sign: but most of them do not believe. And verily thy Lord is He, the Exalted in Might Most Merciful."

From these passages we learn that God saved Lut AS and the righteous ones of his family, and rained on the rest a shower of brimstone, so they were utterly destroyed.

This is mentioned in the Qur'an not only for the sake of information, but mainly to serve as a warning to anyone who dares to repeat such acts.

Muslim believe that every human action leads to consequences. Good actions entail good results, and evil actions entail evil consequences. Some of these consequences may not become known for many years after a certain action.

The consequences of some actions will become manifest only after death when one enters a new, everlasting life.... A common mistake among humans is that if they don't see any negative consequences for their actions they consider it harmless.

Human experience has taught us that a source of superior knowledge can be of tremendous benefit to humans....

God, the source of all knowledge, warns us of His punishment if people perpetrate homosexual acts. Let us pay attention and learn the easy way.

Some will say that a person may be born with homosexual tendencies. We say that everyone is a free agent.

God lays before us two paths and has given us knowledge of where these paths lead. One is the path to which the devil call us. We must avoid that.

One is the path leading to paradise. We must stick to that one. Everyone experiences evil prompting from time to time. We must resist those with all our might.

If one feels a tendency to do something that God prohibits, he or she should seek help from a community of loving, caring, believers who would understand his or her difficulty and help him or her overcome it.

A common ploy of the devil is to convince people that they cannot avoid sin.
Then they do not even try. But God promises that the devil can have no lasting power over those who sincerely seek God (see Qur'an 15:42)

Finally, our bodies are given to us in trust from God. One should not use his or her body contrary to the user guide provided by its Maker. Consenting adults also need God's consent.

Do not abuse yourself and degrade yourselves by following the destructive ways of those who are sick in their hearts and in their manners.

We are humanbeings, the best of God's Creation. If we do not obey Allah SWT and follow our nafs, we will be the worst of God's Creation! Those who follow the sodomite and the lesbian, will end up in hell!

The living hell will be here on Earth when they contract HIV and die a horrible death whereby their body starts to rot from within whilst still being alive!

Being eaten alive away by the ravages of the rotting self by cause of virus attacks and the body just deteriorating away as a result!

Hasn't anyone looked at how terrible those faggots look when they are being stricken with AIDS?

A sight that will repel anyone who has even an iota of self respect and dignity in not associating with such sodomites and lesbians!

Prevention is always so much better than cure! Don't you agree? Be sensible and stick with Allah! You will be safe!

Insya Allah! As far as this 60 year old sodomite, he's gonna get the repercussions from his disgusting choice to be a sodomite very soon in the near future! Mark my words!

May the Almighty God give them their dues soon! As far as religion goes, it is the only thing that adds value to our lifes! Do not get duped by the faggots and sodomites!

Their's is a life that is so disgusting as even an animal would not do what these scum of the humankind perpetrate and think it's cool to be 'gay'? May they rot in hell! That's their choice!

God Almighty will surely punish those who commit Fahishah on His Earth!

For further reading on this issue :


Here is a Christian blogger's views about the subject.

She is Sister Helen, who commented at Brother Pablo Pabla's blog. She has some good points worth reflecting upon. Her opening remarks about hating the sin but not the sinner somehow doesn't sit well with me.

It is the sinner who perpetrates the sin. Sin does not come to be on it's own. Every human is born free from sin.

Sin is an act that goes against the Laws of God and the norms of proper human behaviours and accepted actions. Sin alone does not come into being if not for the one who commits it knowingly!

Sinners can't be absolved of their responsibilites after committing sin save for those wo repent and stick to their vows of not ever repeating it.

If it involves committing sin against another innocent person, can we just accept someone's claim to be insane at the time they committed it under such a pretext? No way!

This comment by Helen however needs to be appreciated in the general context it contains!

It shows that Muslims and Christians do appreciate good values and can work together to combat sin in society ! We need to work in tandem without interfering in each other's faith!

Personally, I have always had a good opinion of such good people in the Christian world whom I have come to know. I know that there are lots of charitable works being done by them. But I also know of some who go astray whilst doing so. I do not want to go into that subject for now.

Allah SWT tells us of those amongst the Jews and the Christians who are among the People of the Book who share these good values with us Muslims. May we understand each other better by these dialogues and learn to co-exist in peace . Ameen.

Helen said...

Hate the sin but not the sinner.

To be frank, before I converted to Christianity, I had no problems with homosexuality. Heck, why should i care about other people's sexual preference?

Then, I became a Christian. Being one meant I believe with all my heart the Holy bible is the Word of God. If the Lord said homosexuality is wrong, yes, it is wrong. I don't question that. I don't condemn the person, I condemn the act which goes against the Word of my Lord.

Yes, there are people who believe homosexuality is an in-born trait. But, so is greed, hatred, jealousy and a million other character flaw that we inherit in our genes. Does that mean it is an OK sign from above I can do what I please just because I'm born with it so it must be part of God's will? The bible clearly said we have to overcome the trials/temptations and tribulations of our daily lives. Paul said, "fight it!" Nobody said taking up the cross is an easy task. Nobody promise you a bed of roses when you embrace the Lord.

That reminded me the age old question why the Lord put the tree of wisdom and truth in the garden of Eden? If the Lord does not want Adam and Eve to eat from the tree, why put it there in the first place?

Excuses, excuses.

Maybe some might say, "I'm not a Christian, so it's OK for me to be a homo!" I agree 100%. For those homosexuals, you don't have to answer to us mortals. But, please don't expect us to say it's OK because you said so. We have an higher authority to answer to.

May we realise that good values and principles are what differentiates us mankind from animals
and that our actions today, good and bad will decide the future for our generations to come!

Let's stop the rot taking place in society and do what we can to advice ourselves and our friends and fellow humanbeings to uphold the Truth and preserve a better world for all ! God willing!


PabloPabla said...

My friend, whilst I appreciate your stand on this matter, somehow I feel that you think that you stand a better chance than them in escaping hell. I know I am being a bit blunt here and I apologize if you are offended.

I do not condone what the homosexuals are practising but I do not condone condemning them either. I personally feel that they are lost and has been tricked or conditioned to their current sexual preference and they are indeed, victims themselves.

As you have rightly said, "a common ploy of the devil is to convince people that they cannot avoid sin." To this, you further said "Then they do not even try". Perhaps, they do not know of our God. Should we blame them? And we should not underestimate the power of the devil (though we know that God is supreme). Anyone who thinks he can overcome the devil by himself is asking for trouble indeed for it is only by the power of God that the devil can be overcome. Not by human power or willpower.

My humble advise is that we should practice less condemnation but show more love and concern instead. By condemnation and telling these people that they will go to hell (which they won't understand right now) or giving them derogatory names merely makes the divide between the homosexuals and us bigger. How then do we reach out to them? Indeed, the more we condemn them, the more the devil has gained victory for the victim is certainly his.

mahaguru58 said...

Will be answering you once I get home.

The connection at my office here is wireless and unstable!

Check back later.



mahaguru58 said...

Pablo Pabla,

Let me put it to you straight.

I reserve my rights to speak my mind as I see things from MY POINT OF VIEW based on the Qur'an and Hadiths of the Last Messenger of Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala.

Islam is very straightforward about such things as homosexuality and lesbianism.

As such, it makes no difference to me whether you or any other person here on Earth like it or not as to the way I write about such things.

You and me , we are both different individuals.

Our understandings and perspectives are naturally different and we both have our own personal views and principles about most things.

I see things from the Islamic angle and you from your Christian side.

We might have general understandings about what's right and what's wrong but we do not have to sing in chorus at all times.

You assume too much as to what I think regarding my being guaranteed to go to heaven or anything!

As a lawyer, you know that that's an act of libel against me for you definitely have no proof or idea as to what is exactly in my mind!

You can go ahead and show your love and care to those faggots as you please.

I have no objections at all!

I leave it to Allah SWT as to whether He'll chuck me in Hell for speaking the way I do!


To do that, I will be amongst those who have PRIDE in their hearts and those who are proud will not enter paradise as per the many hadiths from the Prophet SAW!

For those of you who say this and that, I leave you to Almighty God to judge you.

I have never claimed to be free from sin and am a 100% fault free!

As a Muslim, I seek forgiveness from Allah, God Almighty and I leave it to Him to decide where He wants to send me in the Hereafter!

All your condemnations and criticisms if unfounded have no effect on me nor my resolve!

I will speak as I see fit.

This is my promise to my fellow Muslims that I will never be swayed from spreading the Truth and I will do so as long as I am able to, here , Insya Allah!

To those of you who aren't Muslims, I suggest that you do your own research about what Islam says about this topic and try to understand why I write as I do.

To those Muslims who do not know nuts about the subject and want to speak on the subject, my advice to them is to go study!

All Knowledge is from Allah the Most Knowledgable and the Master of the Universe!

Allahu Akbar!

Dust of this Earth.

Zainol Abideen @ Mahaguru58

Meriza said...


maybe a more counseling should be given to the homosexuals... but they surely should not be condoned. we at least as a member of society must condone their acts and push them agains that wall to remind them that there is no place for them in our society. so that they will feel more pressured to change their ways and be accepted. although, personally i feel that we as muslims, should give them a helping hand in bringing back to the right path.

elhakim said...

In the name of Allah,

This resemble to Qaum Luth (people of Prophet Luth).
May Allah condemn them.


the sign of the end of the world is revealed one by one.

--The believer.

Friend from Texas said...

Dear mahaguru,

In your blind fury against the King of Queens, you've made a little bit of a boo boo.

HIV/AIDS is not the scourge of homosexuality....if that were the case, then lesbians would not have the lowest HIV transmission/infection rate on the planet.

In fact, in Malaysia, the highest transmission/infection rates are among heterosexual Malay-Muslim folks. Do you not see that one could easily turn around and say that that HIV is the scourge of Muslim Malays due to their behavior/faith/politics/etc.?

By the way, the less you good Muslims expend your energy hating one group or another, the more pleasant you'd find your lives to be overall.

Leave the judgment to "God" and live your own life peacefully without slandering or cursing others to rot in hell. Unless of course....Muslims like you are driven to be "God's" jury and executioner because of a deep-deated insecurity that "God" really doesn't exist? Hmmm... ; p

You know the saying.....what goes around comes around. The chaos we're witnessing in the world today against Muslims is simply the way the donut curves: This type of hate and animosity against different groups have come full circle and Muslims now find themselves the target of hate and ridicule.

I believe it was one of your prophets who once said: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

mahaguru58 said...


I figure that you'd know me already as to what I stand for and how I abhor these disgusting decline in humanity's tendencies to go do the worst of actions that they can in their temporal lifes here on Earth.

Those who don't believe in God or fear retribution for their transgressions are the ones perpetrating all these vile acts upon themselves and others in the name of freedom to do this and that!

Society nowadays tends to be apathetic and closes both eyes to the shenanigans taking place before them.

The result is that crime arises steadily as more and more people simply do not bother to criticise these perverts and eventually succumb to popular opinion and go along with their abominations.

I for one beg to differ.

I am not running for President or Prime Ministership to fear brickbats or condemnation from the faggots international!

I am just speaking my mind and exercising my right to voice out and voice up as per the Hadith of the Greatest Messenger of God Almighty :" Whomsoever amongst you (the Believers) sees an Injustice take place before you; use your hand (authority) against it; failing which you are to speak out against it (express objections;criticise;condemn;-which is what I am doing) and if you can't do even that ; to hate it (the injustice/abominable act/ sin) in your heart! Surely that (hating in the heart) is the sign of those weakest in faith and close to Kuffur!

May Allah Forbid!

Those championing the faggots rights are most welcome to go hug those poofs! I won't stop you!

You have the right to go be with them and be as them, if that's what any of you wish!

As for 'boo boo' old me, :D, I'd stay as I am , giving hell to the dykes!

As for the number of Malays being up above the rest of the ethnicities here in the statistics of those infected with HIV, the reason could well be because the Malays are in the majority here in Malaysia, right?

I have been as honest as I can with my sharing of thoughts as I see it in my way.

Surely, you wouldn't want to see me be deaf, dumb and mute against all these screwups taking place before us?

No way jose! I am not blogging to please any of those who love to criticise and comment only for no other reason than to find fault with Islam and the Muslims!

I blog because I have the right to.

Those who don't like the way I write, too bad!

You can just fire away in your own space!

As far as this fundamentalist goes, I stick to my guns!

They will keep blazing till Kingdom comes or I cease to exist!

Insya Allah! Allahu Akbar!

Walillahil hamd!

Have a nice day people! :)

above said...

Dear Mahaguru.
just waiting for ur answer.
I guess it is very good and very strong one

May Allah bless all the Muslims,
Allah is the Greatest!!!

Meriza said...

i am not a quranic hafiz, though i read it often. but i do remember coming across one ayat that said something like, because of a group's people's sins, the punishment also will effect the people who are not the sinners...

i believe hiv/aids is a punishment from God for those who do all these fooling around (free sex, fornication, gays, etc). unfortunately, for the sins of the sinners, the people who are innocent are also affected. that's the way things are...

still... we must condemn such acts. God only knows what kind of disease will prop up next should we still be disobedient to God.

lilygirl said...

I am not a muslim nor Christian. I too think that being a gay or lesbian is not right.But in this world there are too many aspects of commiting a sin, such as murder, robbery, or even father raping his own daughter. Mahaguru58, if u are so not happy about gay and lesbian, it is understandble as maybe u yourself or your love ones is not one of them, maybe you can start to curse people who also commit other crimes. I think those (murder, raping people) are more seriuos.Need urgent attention. Please ask Allah to punish them if possible. And for your information , i am not one of the person who is bothered by what you say. You are free to say anything and blog anything.

mahaguru58 said...

God bless you dear for allowing me to be as I choose to be.

Its not that I like to go cursing people but deep in my heart I am so frustrated and angry to see our society deteriorate and no one seems to care!

Politicians speak as if everything's okay but in reality things are getting worse!

Incest by Malay Muslims in name only reached a crescendo last couple of years.

Why did this happen?

Why are our people committing so much sin?

Why must 68,000 bastards be born to Malays who are supposed to be God fearing Muslims in 2005?

Why must girls today be so promiscuous?

Why is society acting as if they don't care and don't bother to stop the rot?

Why are there idiots blaspheming against God and His Prophet?

I have so many 'why's in queue...I won't be able to stop!

But I thank you dear for being so kind to allow me my rights to protest and to comment as I see fit!

You made my day!

@};- Thank you lily!

Meriza said...

that's why i support sex education in schools. some of those backward extremists argue this subeject boleh jadik experiement kang ngan classmates. seriously, they must be bad in bed. ha ha

anyway, teens must be taught about responsibility. unprotected sex can lead to... AIDS or pregnancy. show how an aids victim look like. show the teenager what happens when they become pregnant prematurely. show them what happens to a family that's broken without both parents present...

i think it's a case of ignorance, definitely. must be done through education.

Brian said...

Dear mahaguru,

Of course you are free to voice your opinions.

But just don't be surprised when you, and your fellow Muslims, find yourselves in the target of hatred as well.

Like I said, what goes around comes around. And the hate and self-righteous angst emanating from the Islamic world is going full circle. You know the saying about the hunter finding himself now the hunted?