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Monday, August 20, 2007

Samy Vellu says HINDRAF's allegations are all lies!























Dato' Seri Samy Vellu lambasted the Hindu Rights Action Force claim's that since Independence, the Indians in Malaysia are being neglected as baseless and that the allegations are all lies!

They should know better than to mess with the Malaysian Indian Congress President who has always bulldozed away all challenges to his being the Malaysian Indians chief representative!

Samy Vellu is right to a certain point when he points out that there have been a lot of improvement by Indians here in Malaysia.

Those who claim to being ignored by the Malaysian Government have only themselves to be blamed.

They choose to live in near poverty levels in the estates and squatter areas whereas if they wanted to job opportunities are always available in the cities and towns of this nation.

Most Indian students excel in their studies and many go on to be successful in their careers.

There are no reasons to point fingers at others and blame the government when many students from the Indian community play truant and get involved in gangs, etc.

You can't expect Samy Vellu to keep spoonfeeding you, can you?

From the way the leaders of HINDRAF are speaking, they seem to expect the government to turn into babysitters for those who are self defeatists and choose to languish in the estates.

I am not championing Samy Vellu or saying that the man is faultless.

He has his shortcomings as do all of us but for HINDRAF to go on and lay the blame on all others except themselves is just quite unbecoming!

Just take a look at the way many prominent Indian businessmen and women are making waves in the country's economy!

Sentul Raya, Brickfields, Jalan Masjid India, etc are full of thriving Indian owned businesses.

Go to each major city and township here in the nation and one can find thriving businesses run by the Indians in their respective 'Little India's' and main business centres.

There are countless professionals from the Indian community, doing quite well in all levels of society.

Indians excel as doctors, engineers, lawyers, police officers, government officers, civil servants, etc.

Those who gathered to protest are usually the ones who have not grasped the opportunity to improve themselves and after failing to make the best of their youth and blew the various opportunities that came their way, chose to gather and allow themselves to be used as pawns by those who have their own vested agendas.

Malaysians can't expect the government or the opposition or anyone else to keep babysitting them.

Life is not such that one can be attended to and waited upon if one so happens not to be born with a silver or golden spoon in his or her mouth.

Do not blame others if you do not work for your keep. Every creature or being has to go find its own sustenance. As humans , we surely have to be more enterprising than to be a constantly whining and complaining creation of God Almighty.

I say, if one chooses to only find faults in anything, I guarantee that they will be successful. They will only see a thousand and one faults in whatever they set their minds upon.

It can also work otherwise. Try looking for the plus points in anything. Then, and only then will all things positive, come to register themselves in the sight and mindsets of anyone.

Learn to make the best of the available opportunities here in this nation and be as the foreigners who come seeking their fortune here from all over Asia and strive to improve their own lot before becoming cry babies and nitpickers.

Doing that serves no one any purpose except heartaches and heartburns. Those demonstrators were lucky that that the FRU didn't get the go ahead to deal with them as they always did with such illegal gatherings.

Imagine if they did! Then, those who got whacked by the FRU will cry out that the Malaysian government is killing them and HINDRAF will have blood on their hands!

Is HINDRAF ready to shoulder the consequences and put those ignorant life's at stake?

Instead of organizing such pointless demonstrations, the people's time and efforts could be channeled to better useful pursuits such as looking for ways and opportunities to improve their lot by teaching them to do business or set up cottage industries.

Go and meet Samy Vellu and talk over things with him instead of resorting to such unnecessary confrontational measures.

Things aren't that bad here compared to the way a nation such as Iraq has been reduced to rubble by the American invaders and lives bombed to bits! Count your blessings and learn to live and let live.

HINDRAF should focus on getting those people to improve their lot through education and seek opportunities to earn a living instead of galvanizing them to march to Putrajaya!

Hell lot of good it did them?

Sometimes, people just do not realize their blessings until they have it taken away from them!

In this matter, Samy Vellu is not to be blamed. He even offers to meet up with them.

Good for you Samy!

22 comments:

Boo said...

>> Malaysians can't expect the government or the opposition or anyone else to keep babysitting them.
>> Do not blame others if you do not work for your keep.

So I presume that's a resounding vote for abolishing the bumiputra policy. Or is there a double standard lurking somewhere in the darkness?

mahaguru58 said...

Well anonymous boo,

There is no relevance to what I said about people needing to work for their keep and you assuming that it infers to the bumiputera policy!

Do you seriously think that its up to you or me or anyone else out there?

We are just common citizens. If its to be its up to the Royal Majesties as to what they decree it to be?

Don't daydream that the Malays will be willing to surrender more of their rights than they already have!

Non Malays are fortunate enough to be unhindered in their self enterprise to improve and enrich themselves without having to beg for government subsidies.

Not all the Malays are getting the privileges as it is.

Don't you ever watch TV3 'Bersamamu'?

Who do you think is featured the most?

apart from a few Chinese and Indians, it is the majority of the rural and even urban Malays who are suffering from lack of government aid or their own unfortunate circumstances.

Whatever it is, isn't it right for us to seek our own fortune?

Do not deviate from the topic bro and if you really want to be held credible, don't hide under a pseudonym.

I didn't know that you are another one of those anonymous blog commenters.

I try my best to just respond to bonafide bloggers.

I prefer to know with whom I am engaging in a conversation.

Never liked talking to strangers!

Hope you would be gracious enough to let me know who you are by email?

Thanks. Send it to mahaguru58@gmail.com

Convoy said...

Salaam.

Very well spoken mahaguru58 sir! It is hard to respond in a reasonable manner to non-Bumis regarding what they consider as a "discrimination" towards them. It's even HARDER to convince them that Bumis have an equally (if not MORE) fair share of suffering from "discrimination" as well, like what you said regarding TV3's BERSAMAMU.

Sujend said...

definately..tv3 is malays channel!!..they'll definately feature malays and not chinese or indian!!(name me any tamil programme aired in tv3??)..
its just unfair..we INDIANS came to malaya 200 years ago..and still considered 2nd class citizens..whereas bugis,javanease who came much later can njoy bumiputraship!!
the fact is there are marginalisation!!
pls keep in mind without the support from the chinese and indians..Malaysia cant achieve what it had achieved now!!
Who gonna work in railways stations and rubber tapping estate?...who gonna deal the with the timber mining work?..

Malay+chinese+indians = success

priviledge + marginalisation = sharing wealth

the equation doesnt tally my friend!!

mahaguru58 said...

Sujend,
The subject matter is not TV3 being pro Malay or whatever!

You seem confused about what we are discussing here young man.

Do not mislead yourself with that kind of 'it's not fair this and that mindset'!

The topic of this article is that your esteemed leader and 'Spear of your Samy @ Deity' is saying that HINDRAF's allegations about the Tamil Indians have been marginalised and forgotten by the Malaysian Government since Merdeka are all bloody lies!

That's the subject matter..not TV3!

Go read up your History books once again and see things for what they are and not what you are deluding yourself with.

Maybe you have yet to learn about what Indians in this country have achieved due to wallowing in self pity or engaged in Malay bashing amongst your peers.

Do not grow up hating others for the lack of enterprise of your fellow Indians who CHOOSE to remain in those rubber and oil palm estates.

See the progress that many Indians have made in the field of business and industry in our nation.

Maybe you have yet to hear of Ananda Krishnan,one of the filthy rich Malaysian billionaires, who owns and runs ASTRO, MAXIS, MEASAT,etc?

Eversendai Corporation, a Malaysian Indian owned Construction giant who built the Burj al Arab in Dubai and are among the largest Malaysian builders and construction companies out there in the Middle East?

I can keep naming and showing you examples of what many Malaysian Indians have achieved since Independence but it will be of no use when you keep your vision focused on the butts of those who CHOOSE to wallow in self pity and lament about why they are in such situations in those estates you mentioned!

HINDRAF are just playing the racial and religious sentiment in stirring up unrest in this nation , championing the illegally built temples and this and that for a purpose.

Check out who are the 'brains' behind HINDRAF and you will see legal eagles who have their own agendas for self advancements not for the community as they would claim loudly through their loudhailers but usually for themselves.

Creating unrest draws attention to themselves. This is a form of trumpeting oneself to let people know about them.

If those of you are really concerned about the welfare of your fellow Indians languishing in the estates, then go educate them about the various opportunities available in our country that are now being grabbed and enjoyed by foreign immigrants to our shores such as the enterprising Indonesians, Bangladeshis, Pakistanis and Vietnamese workers.

All our fellow citizens especially the Indians in the estates do is wallow in self pity and complain like hell!

No one's stopping anyone from doing business or start any self enterprise.

Go check out the various Little India's here in KL, Penang, Ipoh, and all other major cities or towns in this Malay 'favoring' nation!

Until and unless you get rid of that cloud of hatred and animosity clouding your judgment and rationality, you'd remain where you are and complain till Kingdom come!

mohanavanan said...

mahaguru,

Your points can be accepted and you are speaking the fact. Sometimes there are also things need to be done by the government, such as development plans for the rural area, what i mean here is most of the develoment projects are done at the malay populated area. I came from a rural area, and i have seen many developments in the particular area and they are not scattered well to have the same distributions level. Even a single road to an estate will have to go through many hassles and pains whereelse malay kampungs which situated miles away from the city will be enriched with electric, road and water facilities by the government itself. Yah true, we Indians need to migrate to the cities, but what we are asking is just develop the nation without any marginalisations. Indian people have been loyal to the country for many years and what these people asking is to ask the so called Indian leader to work for it. He has been busy keeping the society in ignorance for the past many years. He can build industries and develop the education, new policies and plans for the society. He has failed to do so. The rally is to enlighten everyone to ask for whatever they suppose to have got. They are not against any religion or ethnic races. Just a misunderstanding.

mahaguru58 said...

May peace be upon you brother Mohanavanan,

As a fellow Malaysian, I wish to see the Indian community here succeed as well.

Work together with your leaders and bring about change to not only the economical aspects of your community but also the mindsets of the people.

Instill in them self confidence and learning to live as equals amongst the Malaysians as a whole.

Malaysian Indians need fresh leaders.

You need to reformat and remove the insincere ones milking the Indians off their resources.

May you be successful in your endeavors!

All my best wishes bro!

Anakmalaysia5 said...

May peace be with you Brother Mahaguru,

I'm just curious with your explaination here regarding your commment on

"Maybe you have yet to hear of Ananda Krishnan,one of the filthy rich Malaysian billionaires, who owns and runs ASTRO, MAXIS, MEASAT,etc?

Eversendai Corporation, a Malaysian Indian owned Construction giant who built the Burj al Arab in Dubai and are among the largest Malaysian builders and construction companies out there in the Middle East?"

I totally agree with you that there are many malaysia indians who have made millions or maybe billions of dollars fortune. But my question is
did this malaysian indians made their fortune here in their own motherland or they had to go out of the country to build their empire. Tan Sri Ananda Krishna, Datuk A.K. Nathan (Eversendai Corporation), Datuk Vijay Eswaran (Managing Director of QI LTD, based in HK) are all successful malaysian indian businessman who made their fortune out of their own motherland.

All this businessman i have stated above , i can be even more specific to Tan Sri Ananda Krishnan and Datuk Vijay Eswaran who has played a bigger role in the international corporate world have brought the fortune they have made from abroad to develop and enrich their own motherland.

Both this corporate figures have founded their very own Foundation which helps malaysian regardless of race or religion in terms of study loans, scholarships etc.

Can you explain to me why all this corporate figures who are captains of big corporation have to go out of Malaysia to actually start their business and make their fortune at the first place ? And then once they have made their fortune they come back and do something for their own motherland.

You advocated that indians have been given a lots of opportunity who have not grasped the opportunity to improve themselves and after failing to make the best of their youth and blew the various opportunities that came their way ? If so why is that many educated indian professionals leaving malaysia and going abroad to build their career ?
If there is opportunity for the youths to study at local higher learning institution why is that just less then 10% place given at the first place ?

Come on la boss.The core of all problem is obvious marginalisation and the indians are not being given their rights. There are still many talents who i won't be suprise can even create nuclear weapons or even next generation fuel out there which is working day and night so hard and they have never seen the light of opportunity. do we have the rights to show our talents and opportunity in our own motherland ? If there is how many of them has showed their talents here in our own beloved motherland. I'm sure you can count them.

Firstly, we need our rights as the citizen, then only we can help educate our community and help them develop.Even if we help our own community right now ? Do you think the government will be sitting quietly there and say let the fellow indians help their community
to develop themselves and prosper.You may say i'm narrow minded by saying so, but that is the true fact not only you or any other malaysian can deny.

Lets look at Singapore. Singapore's majority population is Chinese. There are indians and malays living there. Are they being ripped of their rights or being marginalised. Opportunity is given to every citizen. Its up to them to choose and do what is best for them. Does it work the same way here in Malaysia ?

Lets again talk about corporate ethics, both indians and the chinese who work day and night to build their business empire. Why is there such law in malaysia that says there should be a bumiputera partner in multinational or public listed corporation although he or she might not sweat to make the company expand ?

Will you be calling me racist because i highlighted that it is a must to have a bumiputera partner to do business in malaysia ?

You may say that all the above mention argument is not related to the topic being discussed here.

But everyone of us need to understand just one thing here, only when a citizen have his or her rights and not being marginalised. Then he or she can lead a better life and the generation to come will have a much safe and better environment to live and grow.

It is easy for anyone to say lets not point fingers at others, but the circumstances is the cause for us to point the fingers is the true fact.

Whether HINDRAF might have other agenda for what it is doing should not be made an issue now,the truth everyone needs to understand is they are advocating for the rights of the people who has been ripped of their rights and being marginalised.

mahaguru58 said...

Greetings Anakmalaysia5,

May peace be upon you too and all other Malaysians reading this including the leaders of HINDRAF and all Malaysian Indians who are planning to march to the British High Commission this Sunday!

Your points are absolutely well grounded and rational.

I concur with you that the reason why Indians here are fed up with all the years of marginalization and treated unfairly is valid reasons enough to demand that the government start rectifying the mistakes perpetrated upon them all these years.

I figure that I should write a proper article as a response to your comments here and as a matter of fact I have been planning to write about the HINDRAF's 25th Nov March to the British High Commissioner.

So, mosey over to my latest article then and read what I have to say regarding the points you have raised and we can take it from there.

Thank you.

Anakmalaysia5 said...

May peace be with you Brother Mahaguru,

I did not mean to hurt anyones feelings on my earlier comment. I have got a lots of malay friends and i know know how they feel when they get neglected by the government as well. And i have got no ill feelings or what so ever against my muslims brothers and sisters, as i'm still very much grateful to them because when i was sick, they were the one who performed sembahyang hajat for me.
What i really meant on my comment is the government fail to understand and has neglected the minority and they have only been concern about their own agenda and their own party people.
This is the exact problem which the government tend to deny.
Our fellow muslim friends who doesn't support the government gets neglected as well. Overall whoever doesn't support the majority party will be neglected and be marginalised.
If its to be blame. I would say the whole government has to take the full responsibility for neglecting the citizens of malaysia their rights regardless of race or religion. What we every malaysian has to fight for right now is for the right for us to voice out our displeasure and tell the ruling government that we are all losing our trust and faith against them.All malaysians should be treated equally and there should not be any marginalisation.I believe that should be the real way.

Thank You.

Danesh.Manoharan said...

All i want is for someday when someone asks my son what he is and he answers Malaysia and not Hindu, malay or chinese.

We are Malaysians and why don't we feel so?

If we are truly muhibah, what happens to our political parties? MIC will not need to exist, MCS will not need to exist, and all other parties.

We are minorities, how else would our voice be heard beside coming togather as one?

Jhonny said...

Congrats Mahaguru58 on being the 1st or the only Malay Blog who viewed the opinion fairly. I will surely continue reading yoursite.

To cpntinue with the agenda I would like to inform you that the Hindraf's agenda not only on marginalization of Malaysian Indian but most importantly to highlight the treatment given to an Indian in Malaysian. If you were to live in India, which a Hindu nation and the mosque you have attended for prayers for your live is teared down to facilitate a road to be built, wont you get angry. I definitely believe you and your friends will march to the nearest Temple and destroy as much as you can. Well we didnt do that. In fact tell me how many roads had the government built or developed at the areas where the Temples were brought down. They did it just to anger us, provoke us. What they want us is to fight back.

But know this Mahaguru, Indians are the one who taught civilization to the world. We also practiced patience and equality as early as the history itself.

Hinduism was here long before Islam stepped on this land. These Temples are older than our government. Some 150yrs old. The land they stayed are given by the British governement. Sactioned by them. Why can they just built the roads around them?

That was not the intention of the UMNO government. The place I am staying right now have only 200 Malay families but we have 5 big mosques. Every morning the azan echoes. Sometimes they sound like kids whose trying race who is the loudest. But theres only 1 small temple beg to fall down but the government put a notice to demolish the Temple by Jan next year. The reason. Nothing. No reason at all. Just an order. But we have about 800 Hindu families here. Where are we suppose to go for prayers? We were told "Kalau nak sembayang masuk Islamlah. Kenapa nak sembayang patung?". Do these officers know anything about Hinduism? We did not "sembayang patung". We are praying to GOD in our own way. Thats all. If GOD is only 1 as the Islam and any other religion claims to be, then praying to anything as GOD will lead to Him. Dont you agree?

We have our unique way of praying and you have yours. But the prayers are meant for the only 1 GOD. He is the same one who created us all. Does it really matters if you pray in Temples or Mosques you might ask. Given the scenario before, would you (being a Muslim) pray in a Hindu Temple?
Its definitely a NO right?

Well our Temples are not just built just like that. Every temples are design with certain items to captivate, focus and energize the energy. (You must understand that our civilization are very knowledgeable in science) Eventhough much of it has lost, some can still be found in these temples.

My request to you is: Please understand our situation and try to stand in our shoes before posting any comments, not just here but in any blogs.

We are peace loving and not looking for a fight. But dont you think if you are in this situation, you will definitely fight back?.
Let Hindraf do what it wants to do. Its not asking Malaysia government's money but British.
If they win where will these Indians spent them? Think again.

Vj said...

Its disturbing to see reports of Hindu temple demolitions in Malaysia. And the discussion in the press sounds far from free...

I was in Malaysia few years back, and got to learn the language, and mingled with locals over my 1 year stay.

I heard the statement "We are second-class citizens" - from ethnic Chinese computer programmers, and ethnic Indian computer programmers , in KL.

So if an urban person in KL, feels that he does not have equal opportunities, then one can understand that these poor Hindus are well discriminated against , in an Islamic country.

The fact that only 1% (or some such ridiculous number) of Medical seats are reserved for ethnic Indians is surprising.

I guess Malaysians want to stay happy in their little pond - as a country it does not have the potential to compete in the global economy.

Change is hard to swallow - but it seems this human disaster is already written in stone, in this case Malaysia's constitution.

Best regards.

Vj - Washington , DC.

alhazeera said...

Dear Mahaguru, peace upon u bro...
What i hav to say is Tan Sri Tatparanandam Ananda Krishnan is not a Hindu but Buddhist by religion.He is from Jaffna,Sri Langka.

The Malaysian Hindus problems not only in economy but also religion wise.Continues demolition of Hindu temples by Malaysian government caused the formation of HINDRAF.

mahaguru58 said...

Thanks for the clarifications about Ananda Krishnan not being a Hindu sir.

I will from now on not refer to him as a model of Hindu achievers.

Nevertheless, I am sure that the Indian community here in Malaysia have other leaders and icons who have made it in the field of business and other pursuits that are worth emulating.

May all Malaysians progress and prosper together.

mahaguru58 said...

Brother jhonny,

I will get back to you on this. You have asked many questions and made many statements here which aren't exactly right.

I am a bit occupied with my work at the moment but rest assured that you will get a fully detailed point for point rebuttal or agreement article soon.

In the meantime, be a good Malaysian and help keep our nation safe from harm, either from within or outside interferences.

Thank you and have a nice day.

MG said...

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN,

I am a Malaysian citizen, and I am a subscriber of ASTRO Satellite TV Broadcast here in Malaysia. Recently I have subscribed to the ASTRO News Package which contains Al Jazeera and other foreign news media.

I was highly looking forward for the international news broadcast on all of the stations provided by the package when I had shocking news from our local news station claiming that the foreign news broadcasters are lying and making stories without properly acquiring the real facts and they are very good actors !!! Furthermore these claims were also made by our government's politicians.

Now, this is rather disturbing and disappointing for me as I have only subscribed for the service for just a few days and I'm being bombarded with such claims. This eventually made me to think:

Am I an IDIOT to subscribe, pay and end up watching acts and lies
OR
Is there is any conspiracy going on here????

I clearly understand the fact that Al Jazeera has a strong principal called the Code of Ethics and you strictly follow it. But the claims by the politicians and local media here make me to think otherwise.

The claims below were broadcasted on 27-November-2007 in TV3 news station. Similar claims were also made in other local newscasters. This is just a few of the claims.

1. TV3 news station claimed that the foreign media cannot be trusted as they do not report the actual news.

2. YAB Datuk Sri Samy Velu claims that there were only 4,600 demonstrators on 25-November-2007 and NOT 50,000 or any other number as claimed by the foreign media.

3. TV3 news station said that the questions thrown at the Information Minister of Malaysia by Al Jazeera (Al Jazeera's name was mentioned) was to purposely create a scene to show that Malaysia is in kiosk situation and Al Jazeera purposely built up the story from the real one. They also mentioned the criticism made by the Information Minister to Al Jazeera.

(Prior to sending the mail, I did some research on the net and actually found the video clip of the above Interview in Youtube. And I actually laughed myself out listening to the reply given by our Minister. Pity him for his language. But in the Malaysian news channel TV3, they only provided the "CLEAN" version of the transcript and the actual call was not aired. This makes me even more confused!!! Who is telling the truth here???)

Now, if Al Jazeera is telling lies,

It is high time for Al Jazeera to review back their Code of Ethics and provide the truth for the people. If you can't do it then don't cheat the entire world. And don't broadcast your news at all. I am not a fool to keep paying for acts and lies.

And if Al Jazeera is NOT lying,

Well, what the heck. The damage has already been done. No one in Malaysia is going to listen to your news anyway due to the "VERY GOOD" publicity done by the Malaysian politicians and the local media. By the way, did I mention that our local media could also be received by our neighboring countries like Singapore and Thailand?


FINAL CONCLUSION

It is not my intension to insult Al Jazeera, other foreign media, our local media or the politicians. If you feel offended by this email, I sincerely apologize to you. Whatever the scenario is, all that I want (and the rest of Malaysian citizens who are in my situation want) is the truth. Since Al Jazeera's and other foreign media's names have been badly damaged here in Malaysia, Al Jazeera and the other foreign media's SHOULD do something to fix it back or you may start loosing your viewer in Malaysia.(and its surrounding countries too)

I hope you could keep my details confidential and properly investigate on this issue (just incase if you don't trust me) and find out the real truth behind such a drastic claims by our local media. That is if you still follow your Code of Ethics.


Yours truly,
A concerned viewer.

PS:
1. i am also forwarding this mail to other foreign media for their response.
2. i will be posting this transcript in the internet via blogs so that the viewers around the world will be aware that this matter has been brought to your attension and for them to express their views.

Zorro said...

Hi all,

Racial. Racist. All country in this world have this problem. Including America (to african American), China and Japan. How about India??? Well for your info, at India, the TAMIL were discriminate by the Urdu. Even Sikh were economically better than Tamil. Apart from some tamil superstar, other tamil population at India are very poor.

Have any of you here go to india??? why the british bring the tamil races here??? why?? why?? Simple… majority of the tamil in malaysia coming from lower caste, which suddenly when they arrive in Malaysia and have a good life, they change their caste (Which is illegal in Hindu. If a a ksatriya, forever u are ksatriya. If you are untouchable, forever u are untouchable.)

All this lower caste were send by the higher caste of new government after chola dynasty that lose war with british and Moghul empire. They sold their lower caste people to British to wage the war with Moghul and other tamil prince.. hehehehe.. thats why the majority of Tamil Malaysia dont want to go back to India. Can u imagine the tamil malaysia go back to India?? work all day, female raped by higher caste (which is also illigal in Hiduism), and they cannot go up of their caste like in Tamil Movie.. all that just a fantasy, which made rajnikant a tamil hero and also very rich.

Thats about racist… how about religion???? In india, all the world know what they did to muslim, christian, sikh and also hindu(lower caste). No need to elaborate. What the situation in Malaysia??? simple.. The hindu practitioner not a majority. just around 2 million only. BUT… they build so many temple for different type of god in so many places. Is it logic to build a temple in a majority Malay population??? Is it logic to build a temple at Majority Chinese population??? And, is it logic to build a big mosque in a majority Indian population? I speak about a fact. When I small kid at Ipoh there are small hindu temple below a palm oil tree. In a majority chinese neighbourhood. every week they put food, and many things that generate a not good smell.. I remember many my chinese friends go there to steal milk, eggs and fruit. and put it to their grandparent tomb..

As a summary, Government also demolish mosque in Malaysia. If it is necessary. Why there are no complaint about buddist temple being destroyed??? because they build the temple in a right place. think and then reply my email.. Give me fact ok.. fact…

You want to demolish the bumiputra status.. Never go that boundaries. this is a warning. dont go that boundaries my friend. think before you act. If you dont care about your self, then care about your family and your next generation when you are unable to even pick the “madhu” bottle.

If you choose to elect DAP, sammy vellu no longer have power in BN. Which after this, MIC unable to make demand to BN. hehehehe. Thats good actually.. Dont you forget that BN will never lose if there are no Indian supporter. at Ijok, BN put Indian as Wakil Rakyat Be careful. dont be trapped by the leader that want to have power. Religion have been used by Atal Behari Vajpayee to raise into power. He used it very well. He also triggered the Hindu-Muslim clash that killed 10,000 muslim (mostly female and children). What a fact huh…

The special status of Bumiputra is a status given to protect malays. It maybe not relevance now. But its need time to implement the changes. Now we use meritrocacy system to University. Government also not select malay as goverment servant even though malays have more than qualified certificate. Because there are place for chinese and indian officer. Government contract still given to Malay but at the end also distribute together with MIC and MCA cronies.

Mingle around... For muslim dont be to Extreme (like PAS). To Hindu dont be to extreme (Like Hindraf). Imagine if we make the temple as a big issue, suddenly PAS take this as their political weapon and use it to trigger the more extremist.... What will happened???

Some of you tell me that Singaporean not practice this double class standard. You are wrong.. do you know that Singapore not allowed malay to become soldier???? While in Malaysia, government beg Chinese and Indian to be Government servant. At Singapore there are no Tamil School or Malay School. There are only Government School. Why Indian malaysia want to have tamil school???? Why our goverment not use force like singapore and India. If you argue that our Goverment to soft. I am agree. Thats true my bro.

My friend Abdul Halim (previously he is a hindu. Convert as a Muslim around 3-4 years ago) told me that Hindraf also not satisfied because of many religious thing such as sharia law, temple and many more. He also gave me many information about HINDRAF to me and my fellow friend. My answer is yes, you got a point to argue. But dont make anything to trigger the extreme dark side the majority of population. please dont.

We still in a process to build up our nation. Arguing and debating will increase our knowledge. which is very good. I know abour Indian community have gone through. As well as I know what malay have gone through. At the end of the day it is our self to helf our self. Not Government subsidy or place or anything. I not receive any subsidy my bro... Chinese not receive any subsidy my bro... I am right am I?? do u hate it when I'm always have fact? I have many Indian friend here my workplace. (An International University). They told me that the Hindraf are "not-wise" resolution. Whether they lie to me or or not I dont know. But I welcome anybody then want to meet me and I let u met with themself.

I like fact and statistic. Give me more. We can carry on debating. Want to play?? Cmon….

healarts said...

Just a thought...

Does petronas have non-bumi petrol outlets?

after 50 yrs of independence, what is the need for an economic crutch for a particular race? if after 50yrs they cannot improve or choose not to improve, then that is how they are. Competition makes you strong, remember that.

btw, if tv3 wants to show poverty, i can personally bring them hundreds of indians n chinese not in some ulu place but here in KL itself.

we are not asking for anything more but what is enshrined in the constitution. lets begin with freedom of religion. why is the muslim community so afraid of conversions out of islam? lets be fair n give the individual the right. religion is btwn the individual n god.

civil contracts should be heard in civil courts, jus b'cos ur spouse converts that doesn't mean u cease to have rights. that ur children should be forcefully converted. it makes the muslims seem kinda of desperate that they have to go to such lengths. have some confidence in yourselves.

every corner u find a mosque now. how much is gov sponsored n how much by the community? yes, i too do not agree abt illegal temples but be fair in your allocations. have dialogues. see what compromises can be made. yes suraus are also demolished but i can bet my bottom dollar that they will b replaced by multi-million dollar mosques. its fine by me, but hey sumtimes tolerance is the key.

education..lets go either by meritrocracy or racial quota shall we? abolish matriculation. agreed?

brother mahaguru, its hard to see from your sides what indians go thru, with a apple polishing leader n no voice whatsoever. those living in the estates find themselves out of work due to development. No skill, no education, no money, no help. who gives them microcredit? the banks? hah! even if u want to apply for anythg frm the gov u need bumi partner.. cum on. learn to stand on your feet. not on crutches. if there were no other races here u would need to fend for urself. take it in that spirit.

islam prides itself as a fair religion. prove it. i challenge you n your race mahaguru to simply stand on your own 2 feet.

by the way. I am Prem Mohan and you may mail me at supremier@hotmail.com

mahaguru58 said...

Dear Prem,

I have published your comment here for all to read and digest.

This is part of our social courtesy as being bloggers.

Only one particular objection. Your challenging me.

For your information brother, I have stood on my own two feet all my life without depending on any bloody crutches @ bumi status and all that it implies.

Have been working in the private sector all my life and am self employed since 2001.

So, your challenge to me is irrelevant.

Don't go assuming this and that without double checking your sources bro.

I just got victimized by a cybertrooper using 'zorro' s id where this chap had posted the above comment.

I had thought that this comment was from my blogger friend zorro and had just approved the comment and even republished it as a new post!

Damn! The real Zorro emailed me asking for me to delete my posting which I have done.

Thus, no matter who we are, we'll still get screwed.

I just got played out by that bloody impostor.

Awaiting Zorro's follow up on this now.

So, just go easy on the challenge this and that for now, will ya?

Peace.

healarts said...

Dear Mahaguru,

sorry u took it personally. I didn't specifically mean you. As far as I am concerned : "Siapa yang makan cili, dialah yang rasa pedas"

Anyway, I truly appreciate persons like you who have done things on your own. As such, I am sure you can empathise with my comments. Not that i crave for approval but it helps when people do recognise concerns.

By the way, a lot of what i have written is common knowledge. I think you are referring only about the misconception that i meant you personally. For that i stand very happily corrected.

And regarding your impostor's posting..its not ok that he was an impostor but to comment is his right. cowards work in this manner. we can't really do much. Thanks for clearing up the matter tho'.

All rivers lead to the same ocean
All paths lead to the same summit
Let's be more tolerant than a tree
And humbler than a straw of hay on the street

Thank you.
Prem

mahaguru58 said...

Thanks for your clarifications Brother Prem.

I just have one more thing to add to this thread.

I firmly would like to stress here to all who are reading this.

Being fixated on one's race and religion might be a natural thing for most of us because at the end of the day, it's our own self's whom we all care about and will instinctly look out for our own kind and creed.

Yet we must also learn to identify with one another , no matter what difference we see in our skin color, eye color, etc that we are all humanbeings.

All created by the Almighty God.

We wouldn't be here right now if HE thought us to be worthless or useless to this world.

Each of us must remember that whomsoever calls or insults someone with a term that they are not in an unfounded, derogatory way, then in the Hereafter, he or she will be called to stand before Ar Rahman to explain as to what grounds he or she had to curse the person in such a foul way?

Everything and everyone is created by Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala.

It is not fitting for us to look down on anything for when our time comes and our soul be taken away by the Angel of Death, we will be nothing but a dead rotting corpse devoid of all the glamor and trappings of this life that we are so bloody egoistic about right now!

Blood is the same in color.

We are all humans and have been given a task to rule over this world in a fair manner.

Extreme racial and religious fanaticism serves no one any good.

Learn to look for ways to help each other to a better future and do not hog all opportunities that come our way.

We have after all just one stomach. There's only so much that one can stuff into it.

Being a cruel person serves none.

Learn to share and to care.

The Malaysian nation needs all of us to look for the good in one another and stop trying to sound as if we are all faultless.

It's a collective responsibility in working together to build a better Malaysia.

Let's move on.