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Wednesday, May 28, 2008

Haris Ibrahim! Kaffir means.........









Blogger Haris Ibrahim asks me why I call Karpal Singh and Wong Chun Wai as 'Kaffirs'?

I have no problems to help enlighten Haris Ibrahim as to why I call them so because it is my duty as a fellow Muslim to share with him why we need to be crystal clear in our defining those who are Muslims and those who are Kaffirs?

The Surah Al Kafirun is very straightforward in defining who are the Kafirun?

Does Wong Chun Wai believe in Allah? Obviously not! He is a Christian, right?

So he is a Kaffir straight and simple.

Same goes for Karpal Singh.

He does not believe in Allah, right?

So he is a Kaffir.

What is so difficult in understanding that dear Haris?

I don't have time to beat around the bush as far as this simple matter is concerned?

Whomsoever does not believe in Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala as his or her Lord Almighty is a Kaffir.

No need to say this and that or go waltzing round the angsana tree or whatever?

Now, about my saying that Karpal and Chun Wai are a 'blessing in disguise for Muslims' here in Malaysia is because when both these Kaffirs attack Islam and the Muslims raising this and that matter or issue involving anything concerning the Muslims here or touching on anything Islamic, it creates a reaction amongst the Muslims here in Malaysia who start reacting to their statements!

In a way, the anti Islam and anti Muslim statements by people like Karpal and Chun Wai is like an awakening call to Muslims here in Malaysia to start taking note of matters concerning Islam and the Ummah.

Just like Lina Joy's case where Haris himself is her lawyer.

It made the Muslims realize that they have been slacking and not taking charge of their faith and not bothered about the state of affairs of their fellow Muslims all these while?

You need to fully understand the gist of what I am saying dear Haris and not conclude otherwise or make assumptions about my statements?

Karpal and Chun Wai might just be the alarm clocks that Muslims here need because if not for them, the Muslims here would be still lackadaisical about their affairs and that concerning Islam.

Hope you are clear about the reasons why I call them Kaffirs? They aren't Muslims, are they?

Anyway, that's about it. Plain and simple. Read here for more insights about this.

Peace out!

18 comments:

Satria Asia said...

Ah! Also 'Kaffir' or 'Kafir' is what the Israelis call their jets that bomb and maim Arabs.

iammi said...

You can just called them 'non-muslims'. It's not a question of 'beating around the bush or what not, just plain decency to not hurt people unnecessarily. And you can get your point across ust as well. When the term has negative connotation to it, no matter how we want to be frank, it's better to use a less degoratory word. You dont go around calling your neighbours and friends 'kaffirs', do you?

CKGord said...

I'm feeling you.
I believe in GOD.
In Arab, GOD is ALLAH.
Hence, I believe in ALLAH.
But I don't read Koran.

Am I a Kafir?
Not sure.
Enlighten me too.

I believe GOD is superior. And GOD is cool.
Do you believe so?

fade0 said...

Well said Mahaguru58. Like you mentioned, the definition of muslims and kafirs are rather uncomplicatedly simple as stated in the quran.

I really don't understand which part of your statement about Karpal and Chun Wai being kafirs that Haris doesn't understand or choose to not accept, from the sounds of his riduculaous argument.

If he still pleads not to understand, then I sugguest you rest your case as it just isn't worth your time.

mudasir said...

Kafir bukan perkataan yang kecil nak guna sebaragan Mahaguru58.

Kafir adalah perkataan yang cuma boleh digunakan ke atas orang yang menolak dan menentang. Bukan semua orang bukan Islam adalah kafir dan bukan semua orang Kafir adalah orang bukan Islam.

Jangan Lupa kafir yang berdiri satu saf dan kafir yang makan satu talam.

Karpal Singh atau pon Wong tak patut dipangil kafir. Mereka berdua cuma bangsat bertopeng anak bangsa.

MAHAGURU58 said...

Thanks for updating us about that Satria Asia.

MAHAGURU58 said...

ckgord,

It's good that you believe in God.

Now comes the definition of God as we Muslims believe in?

If it is Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala, the Most Gracious, Most Merciful God of us all that you believe in, then you are a Muslim and I will gladly accept you as my brother (or sister) in Islam.

But if 'God' which you say you believe in is not Allah Ar Rahman Ar Rahim as I believe in, then that needs to be clarified by yourself?

If you believe that There is only One God, then you have fulfilled a major aspect of Iman @ Faith.

Read the Surah Al Ikhlas in the Holy Qur'an Chapter 112 Verses 1 to 4.

1. Qul huwa Allahu ahadun

1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

2. Allahu alssamadu

2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

3. Lam yalid walam yooladu

3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

4. Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahadun

4. And there is none like unto Him.

If you accept that There is no other God but Allah, that Allah is Eternal whilst we are mortal beings with an expiry date here on Earth, that Allah does not have any offspring nor is He the son of anything, and you accept that there is nothing else as Him, then by Allah you are a Muslim.

If otherwise, there is still much you have to learn and discover about your birthrights which is to be a Muslim in the true and proper sense.

I am here, ready to help explain whilst I am still alive. :)

Peace be to you bro!

MAHAGURU58 said...

fade0,

Assalamualaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.

Jazakallah khairan kathiraw ya Akhi.

As Muslims, we must do our part to help clear the confusions being posted online.

Wabillahi Taufik Wal Hidayah.

Wassalamualaikum Warahmatulillahi Ta'ala Wabarakatuh.

MAHAGURU58 said...

iammi,

When people like Haris Ibrahim, RPK and the rest of those who write about Islam speak of people like Karpal Singh and Wong Chun Wai being more Islamic than Muslims, then it is wajib @ obligatory upon Muslims like myself to help clear the confusions which these folks are helping to spread.

A Kaffir is just that.

A disbeliever in Allah as what we Muslims are taught to understand according to the true Islamic teachings.

Not Islam as I say 'tion'. (Copyright of Haris Ibrahim)

Hehehehe..

I don't need to go call my Non Muslim friends and neighbors as Kaffirs for the simple reason that it is already understood and accepted that they are so.

You have to understand the difference between such differing situations and scenarios.

The situation here warrants me to set the record straight and so have I done accordingly.

This is my duty as a Muslim.

To help clear the mirage that Karpal and Chun Wai are being misregarded as Muslims by people like Haris Ibrahim.

I will explain further about all these in a follow up article.

Thank you.

MAHAGURU58 said...

Assalamualaikum saudara mudasir,

Komen saudara yang berikut dirujuk:

1.Kafir adalah perkataan yang cuma boleh digunakan ke atas orang yang menolak dan menentang.

2.Bukan semua orang bukan Islam adalah kafir dan bukan semua orang Kafir adalah orang bukan Islam.

Jawapan saya:

Definasi Kafir menurut apa yang saya belajar adalah barangsiapa yang menidakkan Allah sebagai Tuhan mereka.

Walau apa sahaja pembelaan dibuat manusia terhadap mereka yang menidakkan Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala sebagai tidak Kafir, saya tetap tidak akan terima.

Bukan kerana saya degil, kepala batu ke apa tetapi ini hakikat Akidah Islamiah yang saya pegang biar saya hancur lumat sekalipun.

Bagi saya, Allah Tuhan Semesta Alam. Wajib disembah dan dipuja atau dipuji!

Saya tidak suka berdolak dalih didalam bab agama.

Bagi saya, jika seseorang itu beriman kepada Allah Rabuul Jalil dengan ertikata sebenarnya dan menjalankan segala suruhan Allah dan anjuran Nabi Sallalahu Alaihi Wassallam menurut apa yang Allah dan Rasul amanahkan kepada kita, maka orang itu tidak kira asal usul keturunannya, kaya atau miskin, kerabat diraja atau orang kebanyakan, adalah saudara seIslam dengan saya.

Jika sebaliknya maka dia bagi saya adalah tetap Kafir.

Kafir ada dua macam ya mudasir.

Ada Kafir Dhimmi dan Kafir Harbi.

Kafir Dhimmi adalah orang orang bukan Islam yang hidup aman tenteram bersama sama kita dan tidak mendatangkan sebarang musibah atau berlaku durjana terhadap kita umat Islam.

Kafir sebegini wajib kita bantu menjaga mereka sekiranya kita berkuasa keatas mereka seperti didalam negara ini.

Kafir Harbi adalah orang orang bukan Islam yang memerangi kita secara terbuka atau secara muslihat sepertimana sedang dilakukan oleh Karpal, Wong Chun Wai dan mereka yang sefikrah dengan kedua Kafir ini.

Ada juga manusia yang mengaku Muslim tetapi berkelakuan secara orang orang Kafir.

Mereka ini adalah musuh didalam selimut umat Islam dan mereka wajib kita dedahkan sepatutnya dan tidak berundur walau setapak didalam memerangi puak puak begini kerana Kaffir Harbi lebih bersifat jantan dan harus dilayan sepatut mungkin tetapi Kafir yang bermuka muka sebagai Muslim lebih merbahaya dan wajib dicantas sebaik mungkin dengan mendedahkan penyelewengan mereka.

Saya amat setuju dengan kiasan saudara tentang 'Kafir' yang berdiri satu saf dengan kita dan makan setalam'.

Amat tepat dan dalam sekali hujah tersebut. Syabas.

Hujah kedua saudara ternyata agak tersasar jauh didalam ertikata pemahaman kita sebagai Mukmin.

Apa maksud saudara dengan menyatakan bukan semua orang bukan Islam adalah kafir dan bukan semua orang Kafir adalah orang bukan Islam?

Nak kata merapu nanti saudara terasa tetapi intipati ayat ayat itu memang tak boleh saya terima.

Kalau dah bukan Islam Kafir lah jawabnya!

Apa benda yang mudasir cuba nak cakap ni?

Hehehehehe...bawa bertenang saudara.

Yang betul katakan betul dan yang sebaliknya, cakap sajalah.

Apa apa pun, jazakallah kerna sudi menghantar komen.

Wassalamualaikum.

John Weinthal said...

YOU SA in your post entitled ‘Wong Chun Wai and Karpal Singh are a blessing in disguise to Malaysia’s Muslims’, you lament the failure of the Islamic Development Department of Malaysia to see to it that ‘Kaffirs like Wong Chun Wai, Karpal Singh and others to just mind their own bloody business and leave the Muslims alone to live their lives in peace’.

I ask:
LET MOSLEMS LIVE THEIR LIVES IN PEACE: Do you extend this exhortation to apply to others’ lives which may be negatively impacted by some Muslim activity?

I refer to certain Mosques’ calls to prayer (sacrosanct I know; sacred I respect), but some are getting beyond a joke in their intrusiveness ‘volumewise’ (what a horrid creation of a word).

Living some 400-500 metres from the near-new and very handsome Hang Tuah mosque the calls are so loud as to mask traffic noise from Jln Loke Yew and Jln San Peng in my neighbourhood, recent overnight roadworks and most certainly other nearer Mosques' own calls to the faithful. TV or radio are a no-no even with windows closed and curtains drawn.

Do environmental noise limits not apply to mosques?

Is such intrusion either fair or reasonable not only for non-Muslims but no doubt the thousands of Muslims within earshot who cannot necessarily partake of the sunrise prayers (illness, work hours, age, infirmity etc)- or indeed the prayer calls through the rest of the day?

The best that can be said for the calls to prayer from this particular mosque is that at least the amplification system and loud (emphasise LOUD) speakers are of such high quality that the prayer call comes through in great clarity, unlike the distorted sound from some older or less well-endowed mosques.

PLEASE Hang Tuah, reduce the volume in the name of good neighbourliness and peace for all.

iamataxpayer said...

Dear Guru
I do not know much about "kaffir" although i am bit more prefer to be called as "none-muslim". Anyway, I don't really mind.

What I want to ask is, for some people, who "assumed/thought" themself believe in god/islam, but they do all kind of keji, dosa and haram thing, what would you call them? Are they kaffir too? Are they still muslim?

Thanks

John Weinthal said...

In your post entitled ‘Wong Chun Wai and Karpal Singh are a blessing in disguise to Malaysia’s Muslims’, you lament the failure of the Islamic Development Department of Malaysia to see to it that ‘Kaffirs like Wong Chun Wai, Karpal Singh and others to just mind their own bloody business and leave the Muslims alone to live our lives in peace’.”

I ask:
LET MOSLEMS LIVE THEIR LIVES IN PEACE: Do you extend this exhortation to apply to others’ lives which may be negatively impacted by some Muslim activity?

I refer to certain Mosques’ calls to prayer (sacrosanct I know; sacred I respect), but some are getting beyond a joke in their intrusiveness ‘volumewise’ (what a horrid creation of a word).

Living some 400-500 metres from the near-new and very handsome Hang Tuah mosque the calls are so loud as to mask traffic flows of Jln Loke Yew and Jln San Peng in my neighbourhood, recent overnight roadworks and most certainly other nearer Mosques own calls to the faithful. TV or radio are a no-no even with windows closed and curtains drawn.

Do environmental noise limits not apply to mosques?

Is such intrusion either fair or reasonable not only for non-Moslems but no doubt the thousands of Moslems within earshot who cannot necessarily whether through infirmity, age, parenting/caring duties, working hours or whatever partake of the sunrise prayers - or indeed those through the rest of the day?

The best that can be said for the calls to prayer from this particular mosque is that at least the amplification system and loud (emphasise LOUD) speakers are of such high quality that the prayer call comes through in great clarity, unlike the distorted sound from some older or less well-endowed mosques.

PLEASE Hang Tuah, reduce the volume in the name of good neighbourliness and peace for all.

slyderrose said...

kaffir=non muslim. Same meaning.Like khinzir and babi. Same meaning as well. Why 'non-muslim' do not like to be called kaffir?? and they still try to associate themselves with the word muslim eventhough they are actually kaffir. or they simply do not like arabic word kaffir but prefer english word non-muslim:-)

iamataxpayer said...

Dear Guru and other Muslim friend, can anyone comment about my previous post? (As follows).

Thanks

****
Dear Guru
I do not know much about "kaffir" although i am bit more prefer to be called as "none-muslim". Anyway, I don't really mind.

What I want to ask is, for some people, who "assumed/thought" themself believe in god/islam, but they do all kind of keji, dosa and haram thing, what would you call them? Are they kaffir too? Are they still muslim?

Thanks

*************

DrZhivago said...

Wong Chun Wei is a Christian,
So I can't understand why you call him a Kafir.
Christians are ahlul'kitab
People of the Book.
They are belivers in the Book of Allah (the bible) although it might have been adulterated for generations.

Again, Using the term Kafir - is rather derogatory and assaulting - which is very obvious to everyone.
No one, even if it be a non-muslim, takes "kafir" in a positive way, it is like a an abuse hurled at them.

Lastly, An Ideal Islamic society is not where one keeps its minority in constant threat and oppression, but one that maintains peace and harmony, provides justice even to its non-muslim population and allow them to live freely, albeit with respect towards Muslims.

There are many Hadith which command us to be most generous to our neighbours, and to see to it that they have no discomfort from us, In Malaysia - the nonmuslim Chinese and Indian population are our neighbours.
There might be differences, but we must respect and ensure they have no complains being our neighbours and treat them most justly.
Befriend them and also to enlighten them to Islam with our generous approach, not FRIGHTEN dem and scare the shit outta dem!

MAHAGURU58 said...

Dear drzhivago,

First and foremost, it is not I who calls them as Kaffirs in the first place.

It is Almighty Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala Himself who calls them as such in the Holy Qur'an.

The People of the Book whom Almighty Allah refers to are true Christians as per the example of King Najashi of Ethiopia who gave shelter to the early Makkan Muslims and who became a Muslim himself before he passed away.

The Orthodox Jews as per the Neturei Karta are the ones who pass as the Ahlul Kitab who recognize the rights of the Palestines to reclaim their lands and decry the Zionists who have occupied the Holy Lands.

Those are whom true Muslims recognize as Ahlul Kitab.

I will share more with you later. Need to go fill up our car's fuel tank for the price of fuel is shooting up by midnight to RM2.70 per litre.

Catch you later.

Peace out.

fade0 said...

John Weiener,

U dick. U'r living in the wrong country dude. Move to china or singapore where u can sleep all day without azan in the morning.

Moslems living in these lands hve been calling for prayer for 400 years, way before ur ancestors were born. Religous requirements like these will not change for a dick like u. We'd rather die then change our religious tenets.

I advise u to pack up n move out of my country soon. This good enuf for u?