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Thursday, July 09, 2009

Al Islam Magazine's undercover operation at Catholic Church ~ It's implications discussed by Mahaguru58.

Assalamualaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.

Dear brothers and sisters,

I came across this incident reported by Joachim Francis Xavier in an online group to which I am subscribed complaining about the actions of two Al Islam Magazine Malay Muslim journalists who had infiltrated the Catholic Church recently to investigate the authenticity of news that there are many young Malays who have apostatized from Islam and attending church services at a church near the Puduraya Terminal, here in Kuala Lumpur.

Mr.Joachim protests against this infiltration into the church by the two Muslim journalists and feels grossly insulted by their actions where the two Muslims had taken part in the Christian prayer rituals and even taken mass communion by swallowing the wafer offered by the priests which they then had spat out and taken photos which are published along with their expose in the Al Islam Magazine's May 2009 edition which I have attached in this article.

Mr Joachim and another Malaysian Christian Mr.Sughadaran Stanley have lodged a police report attached herewith in this article as well against this blatant intrusion and spying act of those two Muslim journalists which they consider as a gross act of insult against their church and Christian faith!

As a Malaysian Muslim blogger, I try my level best to see things from a balanced and fair point of view and I believe that what the two investigative journalists from Al Islam Magazine have done is wrong and they ought to issue an apology to the Christian community concerned.

If we are to look at this matter from the Islamic perspective, there are some pros and cons with regard to the matter of knowing what the 'enemy' is up to and yet we need to also be righteous in our handling of matters such as apostasy and why such cases arise in the first place whereby the Muslims or those who are supposed to be in authority over the Muslims affairs have neglected to nurture and oversee the Muslim ummah in general leading to such straying of some members of the flock so to speak?

I understand that maybe those Al Islam Magazines's journalists thought that they had no other options but to go undercover in order to discover whether there is any truth with regard to the reports and rumours going around that there is a clandestine operation by the Christian Church here in Malaysia to apostatize the weak faithed amongst the Malay Muslims of Malaysia into becoming Christians?

I wonder also if the journalists concerned would have received permission from the church to investigate or do a proper study as to the accusations against the Christian Church that they are involved in such an agenda against the Muslims of this nation?

Yet this undercover operation by the two concerned journalists gives concern as to where we should draw the line as far as getting stories to publish in the newspapers, magazines and online web portals , socio-political-religious blogs or web forums are concerned?

I have asked some prominent Muslims here amongst the Malaysian Ummah about this matter and this is what they have to say about it?

The President of the Malaysian Scholar Association or Persatuan Ulama Malaysia, the learned Dato’ Sheikh Hj. Abdul Halim bin Abd Kadir who was the Terengganu State Mufti states that it is allowed in Islam for Muslims to use methods and ways to find out the truth about the matters said to involve the Muslims ( the reported apostasies of young Malays ) as long as they do so based upon looking after the safety and sanctity of the Muslim ummah and the faith of Islam.

When asked about the two Malay journalists who had participated in the Christian prayer rituals and had even taken the wafer offered by the priests, Dato Sheikh Hj. Abdul Halim pointed out that as long as their intention was to investigate the truth of the matter regarding the said apostasy of their fellow Malays into Christianity, they had not themselves apostatized from Islam and that their taking of the wafer was not a problem provided it did not contain anything that was haram @ forbidden in Islam.

So to conclude the discussion I had today with Dato Sheikh Hj. Abdul Halim, those two Malay journalists had done no harm to their 'Aqeedah' in the course of their duty as investigative journalists and had done so as allowed by the principles of our Islamic faith.

I thanked Dato Sheikh Hj Abdul Halim for his views and am grateful for his clarity in opinion about this matter.

I had also spoken to the President of ABIM, Tuan Hj. Yusri Mohamad who is also a close friend of mine and asked him as to what he has to say about this matter?

Brother Yusri opinionates that as far as he is concerned, there is no need for us to go to such lengths in investigating such unfounded rumours and thinks that it's wrong to do so under grounds that such a precedent could lead to other instances and maybe spark off something else which we might all not wish to see take place in our nation.

I have also spoken to another close friend of mine, learned Lawyer Tuan Haji Zainul Rijal bin Abu Bakar, the former President of the Malaysian Syarie Lawyers Association who also does not agree with such an action by the two Al Islam Magazine's investigative journalists. He too does not support the undercover efforts of the journalists concerned.

I did my own research into the validity of the actions of the two Al Islam investigative journalists in this case and I find the following hadith relevant to their undercover operation in finding out whether there is some truth to the rumour of Malays here in Malaysia apostatizing from Islam?

In Sahih Bukhari & Muslim, the Book of Jihad, Page 592, Chapter 23, Hadith # 1233 :

Now, the Prophet Muhammad Sallalahu Alaihi Wassallam, being the brilliant genius Commander in Chief of the Mukmins had asked as to who will bring him information about the enemy?

The enemy of Islam and the Muslims were those who weren't Muslims. Same situation today.

The reports of Malays committing apostasy rumored and spread about through the media surely raises concern amongst the ones who are looking out for the welfare and well being of the Malaysian Muslim ummah.

Al Islam, being a magazine that publishes articles concerning Islam decided to take up the act of reconnoitering the said reports and had sent in their investigative journalists to find out the truth of the matter?

Yes, those two did masquerade as Christians and took part in the Christian rituals and partook the wafer given by the priest.

In their report, they said that they discovered no true Malay Muslims who had apostatized as rumored.

They said that they found out that the Christians were mostly Filipinos, Indonesians, Sabahans and Sarawakians who were born Christians. They had some confusions about the ethnicity of those Christians because being people from this region, naturally most of them look like Malays.

The journalists wrote that they found the congregation to be warm and friendly. Well mannered and pleasant. That's a compliment to the Christians.

Yes, they did come across publications in Malay containing the term 'Allah' and that the songs being sung in prayer had 'Allah' in the lyrics.

They conclude in their article that the usage of such a word as 'Allah' in the Christian publications and prayer rituals can lead to some confusion amongst the Malays who might mistake such publications to be connected with Islam and cause problems for those with weak Aqeedah or just learning about the true faith of Al Islam.

They stand by the Ministry of Internal Security and Home Affair's ruling not to allow the Christians usage of the word 'Allah' and all other references which are Islamic in nature in the Christian prayers and rituals here in Malaysia.

That said and done, I still believe that it's appropriate for the two journalists and the Al Islam Magazine editorial to apologize to the said Christian Church here that they meant no harm and were only carrying out their jobs as ordered.

To clear the matter once and for all and to put to rest the allegations that the Christians have had anything to do with such evangelism amongst the Malaysian Malay Muslim population.

I do know that there are cases where such evangelism did and do happen yet due to the utter sensitivity of the matter which can lead to further religious friction and unrest between Muslims and Disbelievers, I try my level best not to dwell on them unless the need arises.

I recall an incident lately concerning two Buddhist monks who were photographed praying together with Malay Muslims in a masjid in Kedah recently that was emailed to me by a Bukit Aman police officer asking me as to what I have to say about that?

I told him that if the two monks were still Buddhists and had not embraced the Islamic faith at the moment they were praying with the Muslims, then the ones who were their hosts that day in the masjid were answerable to Allah as to why they had allowed such a thing to take place?

If on the other hand, the two Buddhists monks had truly embraced Islam and were now Muslims, it is incumbent upon the ones who had initiated the conversion or reversion of those two servants of Allah into Al Islam to have given them an initiation rite into becoming Muslims by teaching them about the purification rituals in our faith and to have them take a bath and given them new clothes which do not have any relation to their 'former Buddhist beliefs'.

They should have been taught as to how to take the purification bath and other pleminaries into becoming and being Muslims worth our name and faith.

As I did not receive further details about that incident, I wouldn't speculate any further for fear of being slanderous against the monks concerned or those who had received them at the masjid and allowed them to join the Muslims in the congregational prayer!

I guess not many Christians know that even their Pope had joined the Turkish Muslims in prayer when he visited the country recently?

As Muslims, we are taught to exercise the best of behavior when receiving guests in our masjids and treat our visitors with the respect and decorum that they deserve. Especially those who come and visit our masjids with the pure intention of wanting to know us and Islam better.

I am all in support for such well meaning interactions between us and the yet to be Muslims.

Concluding this article touching upon the subject of the two investigative Al Islam Magazine journalists, I would like to call upon all concerned to take into consideration the sensitivity of all our fellow Malaysians when going about our affairs and to forgive and forget any such acts that could lead to or spark off anything that we will all regret.

I am publishing what Brother Joachim Francis Xavier had emailed to me following our telephone conversation over this matter here.


Hello Zainul Abidin,

Please find attached the scanned copy of the articles and the police report. Any help to prevent this from reoccuring would be appreciated as we all have to work togehter to ensure that all communities live in total respect and care for each other.


Joachim Francis Xavier

016 4100264



8th July 2009

Muslim Men Spying in Catholic Churches

We are deeply concerned that two Muslim men acting on false information that the Catholic Church was converting Muslims into Christians had recently entered a Catholic Church service for the purpose of gathering information as to whether this was occurring.?

They were also investigating whether the word 'Allah' was being used in church services.

These men participated in the church service and even took part in the rituals that are strictly for Catholics and in doing so violated the sanctity of what Catholics hold very sacred.

These men later wrote about their experience in an article entitled "Tinjaun Al Islam Dalam Gereja:Mencari Kesahihan Remaja Murtad" which was published in the May 2009 issue or the Al Islam magazine.

The men had consumed the 'communion' which is a white wafer which is blessed by the Priest in a Catholic ritual that dates back 2000 years.

Via this ritual the 'white wafer' is supernaturally transformed into what Catholics believe to be Jesus Christ and when consumed allows Catholics to experience life after death.

The 'communion' is held with great reverence and cannot in any way be mishandled or with a lack of respect.

Even Catholics are not allowed to take home the 'communion' but are instructed to consume it immediately during the service. Catholics go through an elaborate process of preparing themselves to receive this 'communion' worthily and those who have not done so are advised to refrain from receiving it.

As such we are outraged that these Muslim men consumed it only to spit it out later, have it photographed and have its image published in the Al-Islam magazine.

The total disrespect shown to what Catholics hold in closest to their hearts and believe to be most Holy strikes deep into our hearts and invokes much anger.

While we are resolved not to allow anger to guide our actions and instead pray that these ignorant will be forgiven by the Allah, we want to know what has become of this most holy 'communion' and demand its immediate return to the church authorities.

We are further outraged that these Muslim men have violated our sense of privacy to freely worship.

Would these men tolerate non-Muslims entering the mosque and violating the sanctity and holiness of their worship?

We believe that all places of worship and the form of worship practiced in these places must be respected with the greatest sensitivity and reverence be they the church, mosque, temple or gurdwaras.

Entering these premises with the intention to spy and worse to violate the sanctity of the worship only serves to incite anger and hatred that could lead to potentially dangerous consequences that would tear this country apart.

As such, as concerned Catholics, we have made a police report at the Patani Road Police station on 8th July 2009 and thereafter held a press conference at the same place.

We requested that the police investigate this matter with great urgency and bring to books those responsible for acting to incite hate and resentment among the Catholic Community.

We also call on the police to investigate both the Al-Islam magazine and the writers of the article.

Joachim Francis Xavier & Sudhagaran Stanley
Tel: 016 4100264/ 016 4455678

attached: the Al-Islam articles, Police Report.


Mohd. Rizal said...

Assalam wbt.

Seram-sejuk apabila membaca artikel ini. Serangan kristianisasi ini mengingatkan saya kisah lama semasa di UM dulu iaitu sekitar tahun 1995 dimana pada ketika itu juga kecoh perihal pengkristianan beramai-ramai umat Islam di sebuah gereja di PJ...tapi masa itu memang wujud edaran pemplat secara terbuka di kolej-kolej dan kampus di UM sehinggakan dalam raga motosikal sayapun ada sekeping....tetapi sejauh mana kejayaan mereka dan benarkah ada yg murtad itu saya kurang pasti, walaupun desus-desusnya ada kedengaran dibincangkan di kalangan pelajar2 akademi Islam pada ketika itu.....saya pada masa agak kurang sedikit penghayatan Islam ini ttp sekarang alhamdulillah....Berbalik kepada tindakan 2 wartawan Al-Islam itu, memanglah mereka boleh dianggap hero kerana kejayaan mereka menyingkap rahsia2 ini ttp sebaliknya juga boleh berlaku kerana ini boleh mencemarkan maruah dan kredibiliti agama Islam dan umatnya......Islam ada cara/ilmu berdakwah - fiqh dakwah. Silap cara nak berdakwah & mencari kebenaran, bala dan musibah pula yg mungkin tertimpa.....Apabila hal ini sudah tersebar dan diketahui umum maka apa tindakan pihak Al-Islam? Harus diingat, anda membawa maruah Islam bersama anda kerana penggunaan perkataan 'Al-Islam' itu.....jgn.lah pula sampai mengeruhkan keadaan hubungan Islam-kristian di Malaysia. Wallahu'alam.

MAHAGURU58 said...

Assalamualaikum Rizal.

Kita doakan sahaja mereka agar dikurniakan Allah dengan Taufik dan HidayahNya serta dilindung dari segala yang mungkar.

Berusaha menjaga benteng keimanan kita adalah wajib keatas setiap Muslimin dan Muslimat seantero dunia.

Bersama samalah kita aktifkan usaha Dakwah al Islamiyyah ke serata alam.

Insya Allah.

aliya said...

Salam sifu,
I condone such acts, because it's trickery. Surely there are better ways to find out the truth behind the walls instead of THAT! You don't go about seeking out people's wrongdoings under cover, and yet claim to carry the banner of Islam.Islam does not teach Muslims to be hypocrites!
Despite their claims that they're seeking the truth and to protect the sanctity of Islam, they can't deny that they know their magazine will increase due to the reports.
As I'm sure Muslims don't welcome religious spies in their mosques, they should also respect the other religions.
I hope al-Islam would publish an apology for the intrusion into the Catholic church in its next edition.

MAHAGURU58 said...

Assalamualaikum aliya.

I believe you meant to say that you 'condemn' those acts. Condone means that you agree.

Anyway, I get the gist of your intentions and agree with you that trickery is very much frowned upon by those of us who prefer straightforwardness in our dealings with others, no matter that they be Muslims or otherwise.

This trickery can be likened to the case of the ex-convict Craig Monteilh who claimed to be an FBI mole in the Islamic Centre of Irvine, Orange County, California, USA.

Read about it here :

Think you may be right in Al Islam Magazine wanting to boost their sales and circulation by publishing this sensational expose of their investigative journalists cum spies, eh?

I hope that they will apologize to the insulted ones and settle this matter once and for all.

aliya said...

Hehehe, yes.. a typo error. Thanks for the correction. No,99% they won't apologise unless under pressure :P

MAHAGURU58 said...

May Allah bless and protect you dear Sis.

The Muslim world needs more like you!

Fee Amanillah!

Your Ah Ko.

imakubex said...


I'm sorry, but I cannot agree with a lot of things. For one, the ceremony, called Eucharist, is a common practice among Christians. The bread/wafer symbolizes Jesus' flesh while the wine, which is usually present, symbolizes his blood. I have seen the ceremony in St Paul's Cathedral in London and though they are not Catholics, the practice is similar. They dipped the bread/wafer in wine and eat it, as what Jesus allegedly do in the famous Last Supper.

I have not known any other way in which the Holy Communion is done, so I am baffled at the fact that no wine is mentioned, though my knowledge of the Christian faith is not that good.

I am sorry, but your article does not negate the fact that if we read this incident, the 1st reaction is that it is morally wrong, no matter what the justification is. Just because nothing is discovered against Christians do not change the fact that it is a religious communion and we as Muslims interfered with it. I do not think that personal apologies are sufficient; we should recognize that it was wrong unanimously and condemn such acts.

The fact is that there is so little understanding and so much mistrust. How can we live with each other like this? When will we learn that Christianity isn't some weird cult and that after Luther, everything has changed?

What is wrong, is wrong, no amount of justification can change that fact, even if it makes it understandable.

Do unto others as you would others do unto you

That is what I think, I apologize if it is a bit strong.


MAHAGURU58 said...

Wa'alaikumsalam Muhammad Imran Mustafa.

I agree with you sir. That's what me and Cikgu Aliya have been condemning the Al Islam Magazine.

Two wrongs don't make it a right they say.

Do unto others what thou would like others to do unto you.

Old Fart said...

You said, "When asked about the two Malay journalists who had participated in the Christian prayer rituals and had even taken the wafer offered by the priests, Dato Sheikh Hj. Abdul Halim pointed out that as long as their intention was to investigate the truth of the matter regarding the said apostasy of their fellow Malays into Christianity, they had not themselves apostatized from Islam and that their taking of the wafer was not a problem provided it did not contain anything that was haram @ forbidden in Islam."

From wikipedia: "The Eucharist, also called Holy Communion or The Lord's Supper and other names, is a Christian sacrament, generally considered to be a commemoration of the Last Supper, the final meal that Jesus Christ shared with his disciples before his arrest and eventual crucifixion. The consecration of bread and a cup within the rite recalls the moment at the Last Supper when Jesus gave his disciples bread, saying, "This is my body", and wine, saying, "This is my blood".[1][2"

Now it does not matter to me really whether or not Islam permits or condones the actions of these two journalists.

The important thing to me is if these two journalists have violated something that is sacred to me.

In all of your missive one thing that I saw that was missing is your Islamic concern for the Christian. Whether or not the Christian's sense of having been violated or not mattered to you or for that matter to Muslims in general.

You have obviously shown in your missive that what mattered more was not if Christians felt violated, but more, if the actions of the two had indeed violated Islamic tenets or invocations.

Another, that you thought that it was a compliment that the two journos had stated that the Christians had been civil to them suggests that either the journos or like minded Muslims are of the view that Christians harbour the kind of cynicism and malice towards others as maybe they do as a matter of course reeks ignorance to say the least.

I do not think you have necessarily understood what it was that was the violation here. Obviously you are guided more by the post Medina edicts of the Prophet than you are by the pre!

MAHAGURU58 said...

Old Fart,

You are free to think whatever you want or conclude as you please as to what I hold in principle or whether I am sympathetic to the two journos for what they did?

If you zoom out and take a look at what I am saying about the actions of the two spies, you'd see that I do not support their actions and reiterate that they and the particular magazine ought to apologize to the said church!

Frankly speaking sir, I am a Muslim who cares very much for my fellow Muslims but still wish to let you and others like you know that I do not wish harm upon any other who are not Muslims who do us no harm in the first hand.

I just received an email from a Christian thanking me for my views.

From what I have read of your comments against me in other sites, I can only hold my nose from the stench of what your id represents.

Yet still, here I am wishing you well.

What a lousy Muslim I must be, eh?

Take care Old Fart, go get some charcoal tablets!!!

That my friend is said in jest unless you really suffer so!


Trashed said...

Why is it that people who are highly "religious" think that they are at "war" with other faiths ? These two journalists "infiltrated" the shrine of another faith on the back of suspicions.

Why can't we let people follow whatever faith they choose, don't look down on other religions and hold off on the "my-faith-is-better-than-your-faith" rhetoric ?

It is the connection of God/Allah/Supreme Being with the individual which is paramount. Not the trappings or seemingly scoring points.

~Being* said...

I normally don't comment on religious issues, but feel there are many aspects to this that needs to be clarified ...

1) Was there harm to the faith of the reporters, as individuals (the "selfish" view)? The reporters, as per their beliefs and as the President of the Malaysian Scholar Association states, did no harm to their "Aqeedah" if they do not believe in the Christian religion nor believe they had participated in the union of with God through participation in the Eucharist (eating of the wafer).

2) Was there harm to the Islamic faith? Practically, I believe the answer is "no", although it highlights again some individuals who fail to understand the tenets of respect for the faith of others - by their treatment of the Eucharist (wafer). Unfortunately, there are such elements of wayward individuals in all religions - Islam, Christianity, etc.

3) Was their act of "spying" acceptable? Partially. Intent was noble, but it is acceptable only as long as it is done with respect. The same as non-Muslims visiting mosques to understand what is happening there. But would Muslims be outraged if non-Muslims recited the prayers & performed the rites but did not truly believe?
However, I disagree that this can be justified via the Book of Jihad. Is there a war (declared jihad) of which these reporters are participating in, against the Christians in the church they visited? Are non-Muslims enemy of Muslims, as you stated? This is a very broad sweep at people of all other faiths!

4) Was their act in eating the wafer acceptable? No, and I explain in (5) below.

5) Was there harm to Christians, and the Christian faith (the "selfless" view)? Yes, and please allow me to explain. Christians believe the Eucharist to be the body & flesh of God. As such, Christians felt the reporters defiled the most holiest. There is no equivalent in Islam - it would be worse than destroying the Kaaba and burning of the Holy Quran. How would Muslims react to that?
Fortunately, Malaysian Christians have been more rationale and patient (timid). Such action in some other countries could result in far more severe repercussions, as we have seen in the past decade.

Finally, on the use of "Allah". Don't Muslims, Christians & Jews all believe in the same God ("people of the Book")? "Allah" is historically not exclusive to Muslims, and the arguments why it cannot be used in non-Muslim texts seem justifiable from a communication perspective in a multi-faith country (I would not agree it is Islamic in nature). I personally believe in God, and it does not matter what name God is called by. So if the Ministry wants to stop others from using "Allah", Christians should not make an issue out of it.

Old Fart said...

You know Maha, it is these kinds of incidents that open up to the Muslim community the opportunity to compare for themselves their responses against the responses of members of other religions for violations of this kind.

For the first time for you and many of your readers you hear about what is held holy and sacred. You hear of terms such as the Eucharist and the body and blood of Christ. And you have invited us to show you Christian forgiveness and the attitude of "turning the other cheek". You have invited the Christians to display to the Muslim ummah what their faith is all about.

Now if that is not proselytising, I don't know what is. Obviously you could spin it such that the Christians have taken advantage of this incident to put on display their religiosity which could confuse Muslims. There is obviously a certain expectation of the Christian response and yet you don't see it. It must surely make some Muslims wonder.

Maha, I think you have your work cut out for you. Damage control is absolutely necessary I think.

Augustinian Successor said...


Your article tak ada langsung menyatakan rasa kesal terhadap tindakan keji du orang wartawan dari al-islam who communed the Holy Bread and Holy Wine which to Roman Catholics ARE the Body and Blood of Christ, the only-Begotten Son of God, God of God, Very God of Very God. Such insensitivity on your part is unacceptable. It is better for you as a fellow Muslim to admonish the two journalists for purposely violating these sacred rituals which lies at the heart of the Church.

The Roman Catholic Church, the Protestant Churches all welcome visitors in their midst. The two journalists would have been welcomed as confirmed by Joachim and Sudhagaran. Christians do not bar non-Christians from entering the Church. Non-Christians are only prevented from taking part in the Holy Communion.

Although I do not call for the jailing of the two journalists, such incidences must never be repeated again for obvious reasons.

MAHAGURU58 said...

Gentlemen, especially Augustinian Successor and Old Fart.

I understand your grievances and sympathize with you.

Nevertheless, please understand that as a Muslim who worships Almighty Allah and Him Alone, I will never come to accept your Christian perspectives and beliefs.

So, instead of us touching on your religious angles, etc. I suggest we stick to discussing the crime of those two journalists turned undercover operatives to see for themselves as to whether there were any Malay apostates in the said church.

You want to know what we Muslims believe about Allah?

Feel free to check out Surah Al Ikhlas,
Surah 112 in The Final Testament of Allah :

We can go on and on till Kingdom of Allah comes into being or if we ever live to that stage, but I believe you gentlemen know that we have a choice.

Agree to disagree on our differing stands and move on.

May the truth be told no matter what so that justice can live.


Augustinian Successor said...


I am not here to ask you to accept Christianity. But the action of the two Muslim journalists in partaking of the Holy Bread and Holy Sine, regarded as Sacred by Catholics is a horrible thing. This is the point.

I'm a Protestant, but I have to speak up on behalf of the Roman Catholic Church, or any other non-Muslim religion because the right to have the integrity of our worship and beliefs upheld inviolate is a fundamental right ... a universal right.

So, this is not about which religion is right or wrong. It is about respect for the other religion even if you do not agree that that religion is right. This is basic.

Old Fart said...

No grievances Maha. Just a smile on my face as we begin to understand the issues and repercussions more and more. Got to thank you for helping me with a different perspective actually. Anyway, peace be to you.

zab said...

I would like to share my humble opinion as a Muslim brother. I think it is imperative for us to respect other religions and races as what was thought by our greatest prophet Muhammad S.A.W. Islam was and is never a religion. It is a way of life that we should let others embrace and understand. Why are we muslims so afraid of our Christian friends using "Allah" in their publication and prayers. "AllahuAkbar" means Allah the almighty and he is not just for Muslim. Islam believes that there is only 1 god which is the first commandment in our "Hukum Islam". So why do we want to restrict others from reciting Allah in their prayers? Why do we want to encourage others to worship other gods if we believe there is only 1 god for all? Question to ponder?

Wassalam, Love all, serve all, protect all..Humble servant of Allah

cl3m` said...


I understand where you are going with what you're saying but your article in no way touches how much this act has hurt us Christians.For me, going undercover was never the problem to begin with.I have no qualms of a Muslim entering a church. Likewise, most of us Christians , just as the Pope did,do not have trouble joining Muslims in prayer.

The problem lies with the fact that these 2 people failed to realize what they have done by participating in the Eucharist. It's something that we Catholics don't take likely and it's a very holy ceremony. You said that you won't accept Christian beliefs and I don't see anything wrong with it. However, you should respect it as well. A few years ago, the Muslim community were so angered when a danish newspaper posted drawings of the Prophet and them doing this is no different as what that newspaper did to you. I only hope you can understand this. Racial and religious tolerance in our country and if Muslims expect non-Muslims to respect Islam, Muslims should learn to understand and respect other religions as well.

MAHAGURU58 said...

What is it with you guys?

Can't you give the issue a break?

I have already said that the 2 journos should apologize and that I and others like me here do not agree with the way those chaps went about their affairs in the church!

Stop flogging a dead horse and move on, will ya?

Sheesh..some folks just don't know when to call it quits and carry on with their lives!

I'm closing this thread.

Have had enough with blinkered folks keep whining about something that's past!